Comment on We don't use the word 'fascist' because we wish harm on anybody. We use it because words mean things.

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• kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No they are fascists, Nazi was the shorthand for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), the first 4 letters.

  Fascism gets its name from Italy, Mussolini’s Fascist Party, but it is the name for the political ideology as a whole, there is no Nazism and Americans being called Nazis is kinda weird, imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.

  Thanks for coming to my stickler talk.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If the situation were flipped, and Hitler was rising to power ~80 years after we had a massive war to take out MAGA fascists, then yeah I think people would refer to them as “MAGA”, at least at first.

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    • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist, as I said it’s literally just the first 4 letters, a shorthand a nickname, American version for Republicans would be Repu/Repus.

      Lots of people I have seen that think it’s Nazi because the Sozialistische has the Zi, it’s nonsense, Nazional is how germans pronounce National, hence it’s shortened to Nazi.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist

        Ridiculously pedantic. Come on.

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      • MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        IMO it’s more offensive to call MAGAs a Nazi. And I’m certainly looking for maximum effect. I couldn’t care less about the etymology of Nazi.

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      • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I call them Repubs at this point because they don’t want to say things like “Democratic politicians” opting instead for “Democrat politicians” because they’re worried democratic sounds too good.

        I think republican sounds too good. They don’t want a republic, they want a tyrant.

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      • causepix@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        How about nationalist?

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  • Humana@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t live in America, and many people here actually do use MAGA or Trumpism to describe the local right wing people and parties because they are largely just copying America…

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.

    It’s semantics. The German and American fascists all pull from the same ideological and rhetorical playbook.

    Veneration of the national security state. Zealous religious orthodoxy. Obsession with loyalty oaths and ethnicity sorting. Reflexive xenophobia. Institutionalized quackery.

    It’s all the same shit. Same as Apartheid Africa. Same as Kuomanting China. Same as Pinochet’s Chile and Milei’s Argentina.

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  • BussyCat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What do you call people who wear red and black swastikas and say heil Hitler while doing a salute typical of the Nazi party?

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    • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      assholes.

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    • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lazy and derivative

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    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Romans?

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  • uniquethrowagay@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist though. The party wasn’t called Nazi, the members were.

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    • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It was and is literally called the Nazi Party en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

      The Nazi Party,[b] officially the National Socialist German Workers’ Party

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      • uniquethrowagay@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I am German. We don’t call it that. Nobody says Nazipartei, it’s NSDAP. Nazi Party is an English expression and has nothing to do with the etymology of the word Nazi.

        Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist. de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi (the english version of this article points to the ideology of nazism, the original is about the term. Use a translator if you’re interested.)

        It was coined in the 1920s and it’s not an American term. You call the party Nazi Party because it was the party of the nazis, not the other way around.

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  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Imagine gatekeeping nazis.

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