yea the whole point is that “just following orders” is an excuse while they know damn well they’re complying to a fascist regime
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Cruxifux@feddit.nl 6 days ago
lol the American west guys were not just like “I’m just following orders” they were like “lets murder all these native people it’s awesome.” Let’s not whitewash that shitty part of our history, fellow whites.
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
I think that’s the point, it’s not “just follow order”, they’re okay with it. It’s the banality of evil.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
It’s not just white people who were “just following orders”
juliebean@lemm.ee 6 days ago
same for the others honestly. ‘i was just following orders’ is just what one says when you get called out for doing heinous shit so you can pass the buck to someone else in your organization.
funkajunk@lemm.ee 6 days ago
“fellow whites”, as if people alive today had anything to do with it. That’s racism, and I hope you can do better.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl 6 days ago
Shut up forever with that bullshit.
funkajunk@lemm.ee 6 days ago
Instead of just calling it “bullshit”, can you please tell me why you disagree?
Cruxifux@feddit.nl 6 days ago
Because a white guy making fun of white guys isn’t racism. It shouldn’t need to be explained. And that’s just the very basest level of why it isn’t racist.
Glide@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
And yet we benefit from it every single day all the same, while throwing out hands up and screaming “that isn’t on me!”
We’re not responsible for what happened to them then, but we are responsible in what we do about it now. Turning away that responsibility while continuing to reap the benefits is racism.
funkajunk@lemm.ee 6 days ago
I don’t inherit the sins of my father solely because of my skin color. Again, that is straight up racism. I don’t call anybody a slave just because their skin is dark. I just showed up here - I didn’t have any say in it, and to suggest that I absorb the wrongdoings of other people just because I have a similar skin color to them is fucked up
I am willing to judge anybody on their actions and the content of their character, and I hope to GOD that I find some genuine people. It’s lonely out here, we don’t need any further division from you or anyone else.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 6 days ago
I feel like so much of the disagreement about racism in the US in social media, is a difference between society at large and individuals. Most people aren’t racist (over the top so. However, I alsothink everyone probably has some sliver, however slim, of racism in them). If you travel around this globe of ours, some countries do suck more than others, but people are, for the most part, pretty friendly and welcoming.
That said, I think it’s insincere to believe that the historical trauma of the history of the US has not had lasting generational/racial negative effects.
If I think someone is saying I’m racist because I’m white, I dig in my heals a bit and think, if not say, what the fuck? If I think they are talking about systemic inequality in general, the history, the current data, etc., then I’ve been getting better and better at not having that blood pressure rise in defense and starting from a point that we probably agree on a lot, and just may have differences in how to address the problem.
queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
A lot of people literally inherited it because of the generational wealth built by whiteness, slavery, and genocide.
Glide@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
I don’t inherit the sins of my father solely because of my skin color.
Correct. We inherit the responsibility to do what we can to make those wrongs right because of the advantages we are afforded by our historical background.
Because of the family I was born into, I was afforded easy access to food, shelter, and education, and easily able to find success and prosperity. This allows my children the same, and that’s, in large part, a result of history. Those coming from less advantaged socio-economic backgrounds do so because, again at least in part, my distant relatives stole from them to my benefit.
When these issues are divided by skin color, then yes, it is racist to ignore them in their entirety over the argument that we had no direct control over the actions of our forefathers, as we continue to benefit from them today. It’s really some trolley problem stuff: we are advantaged by being the ones hanging out around the lever, not tied to the tracks. When we are asked to switch the tracks, or heaven forbid stop the trolley, we should not respond, “it’s racist to tell me I should be doing something about this! I didn’t build the tracks! I don’t own the trolley!” Okay, cool. But they’re down there, on the tracks, and we’re up here, next to the lever. Call it luck, but by the nature of our birth, we have an advantage that minorities do not. It is not racist to identify that.
You want genuine people, friend, taking the time to try and discuss these perspectives to someone is about as genuine as it gets. It’s not easy to accept that, despite massive personal struggles and relative low wealth and prosperity in a world owned by billionaires, I’ve been at an advantage just because I was born European descendant Caucasian. Don’t mistake disagreement for a lack of authenticity, or being poor of character.
JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Did you even read the rest of that sentence?
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
Yes, because inherited benefits make a mockery of meritocracy, which is the mechanism through which we tell people they got what they deserve and that we use as a shield when people tell us we need to share. “No, I merited it”
PineRune@lemmy.world 6 days ago
The Nazis and ICE were and are the same way, they just try to paint it in a different picture to not look like a bad guy.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl 6 days ago
Ok, very fair point.