Comment on Least extreme biophysics phd

Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• comfy@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Jiankui_affair

  Laws were changed after this incident:

  In 2020, the National People’s Congress of China passed Civil Code and an amendment to Criminal Law that prohibit human gene editing and cloning with no exceptions

  So, in case you actually meant that weird ignorant remark you made about Uyghurs, the answer is no and no.

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  • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Lemmitors downvoting you because actually learning about the case conflicts with their “cHiNa BaD” circlejerk.

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  • ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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    Oh shit someone tell the ~~ fascist scum~~ liberal toads that its actually blue on blue, this guy was working for a honky kong universty!!!

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  • drislands@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Thanks for the information – good to know. I assume that like American law, he couldn’t be punished for something that wasn’t illegal when he did it?

    Regarding the Uyghur comment the other guy made, definitely a bit tasteless but I don’t think it’s that ignorant given the genocide China perpetrated against them.

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    • Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      What he did was illegal. Even without specific laws about genetic modification or cloning, he did perform experiments with babies without the necessity approvals from ethics and safety, without informed consent from the parents and likely misusing funds allocated to other research.

      3 years is still to short.

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    • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      he couldn’t be punished for something that wasn’t illegal when he did it?

      I don’t think CCP cares about the principle of no ex post facto punishments.

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      • ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Source: My racism

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  • Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It was a joke… You don’t get to jail for experimenting with slaves in China.

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• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Be careful, you might get banned from lemmy dot ml for hatespeech against dictatorships.

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  • ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Hong kongs a dictatorship? You know, the place this doctor was working?

    Well observed, its been an apartheid state since its inception as a colony to the UK.

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  • LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Everyone who opposes dictatorships is a Nazi or a liberal, who are also Nazis.

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    • SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Nazis, by definition, do not oppose dictatorships. Not sure where you got that idea, but it certainly wasn’t a level-headed assessment of history.

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      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The guy you’re responding to is a liberal doing a piss poor parody of a ML.

        You can’t do a good parody if you get angry before the punchline, or don’t understand the thing you’re parodying in the first place.

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      • LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I read it in Das Kapital, by Joseph Stalin. Don’t you liberal anarkiddies read theory?

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s literal misinformation, so it probably should be removed, yes.

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  • Probius@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Why did you self censor by saying “dot”?

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    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I wrote that on my phone’s touch keyboard, and I didn’t want to use \. to escape the dot character to avoid autohotlinking.

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  • Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ve blocked that instance, but if they need more material to ban me I have it.

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  • Aux@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Who cares about a tankie instance?

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Dang, you can really just pull shit straight out of your ass and people will believe it.

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    lemmy dot ml

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yes, .ml users do indeed tend to be more concerned with fact-checking and saying things that are actually true, thank you for pointing that out.

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    • Tope@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Asking out of curiosity what does that “ml” mean?

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      • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Supposed to mean “machine-learning”, but the developers of Lemmy (whose instance it is) are using it to mean “Marxism-Leninism”, which is a misnomer invented by Stalin. While ml has some non-tankie leftists, that instance is infamous because of them.

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      • NIB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Marxism leninism, it’s a political ideology, subset of communism. Basically the communists that love USSR, China, Cuba, etc. They love running propaganda about how these authoritarian governments did nothing wrong and how all criticism of them is just negative propaganda by the West.

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• Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The devil is in the details…

  You are likely thinking (as I am) that he implanted robotic arms on babies but he may have just rubbed sage oil on them for all we know

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  • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    He used CRISPR to make 3 babies immune to HIV.

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    • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No, he inserted a gene that is associated with resistance to HIV, but is also associated with increased risk of some cancers. He did this without informed consent, he did this without running it by an ethics board, he did this without knowing whether it would work or not.

      Let’s stop pretending that he’s a good guy that just magically made HIV immune babies.

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      • T156@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        We also don’t know if it was just that gene that was altered, or if there are other effects. Modern gene editing isn’t so precise that we can edit just the gene we want. A lot of genes with similar sequences as the target can also be affected.

        It’s basically like firing a shotgun at the house they live in. You might hit the one you want, but you may also hit other unrelated people in the process.

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    • ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Diabolical

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    • Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Thanks for the info

      definitely on the evil side considering he probably planed to infect them to test his theories

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      • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Nope, he had no plans to infect them. The babies had parents who were HIV-positive.

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      • easily3667@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Wow you are jumping to a lot of stupid ass conclusions for someone who won’t google a name.

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      • Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Did not have baby zombie apocalypse on my Bingo card, but thera ya go

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• Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Depends how successful the experiment is (and probably on what the goal is as well).

  If he’d been testing the effects of grass vs grain feed on human fat marbling, I’d imagine the sentence would have been a little more severe

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• jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “Illegal experiments on babies” is a user-provided note, and is not really an accurate label. For one thing, no experiments were done on babies.

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  • Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The report confirmed that He had recruited eight couples to participate in his experiment, resulting in two pregnancies, one of which gave birth to the gene- edited twin girls in November 2018. The babies are now under medical supervision. The report further said He had made forged ethical review papers in order to enlist volunteers for the procedure, and had raised his Own funds deliberately evading oversight, and organized a team that included some overseas members to carry out the illegal project.

    I guess it’s right that there was no experiment in babies, the babies were the experiments themselves.

    It would have taken much less time to read about the topic than to make that nonsense response.

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    • jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      What do you mean? What did I get wrong?

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• Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  And China executed a shitload of people for political dissent…

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• nope@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  And in what context medical experiments should be allowed on babies ?

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  • Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yet we still have default circumcisions in the US, no?

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  • Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    A lot of contexts? Like the development depending on formula vs mother’s milk? Experimenting doesn’t need to mean vivisection or injecting unregulated drugs, but if you need to do the experiments illegally, I’m not sure it was something “safe”

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  • easily3667@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Not babies, embyros

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