Comment on An independent voter explains why they chose a moronic, oligarcho-fascist demagogue over Joe Biden (c. November 2020) [Day 58]

SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Blue opposes in words, but aids by supplying weapons hwhile saying they can only be used for defense against other coubtries but not enforcing that restriction.

  Red says fuck the Palestinians, genocide is fine.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There’s also the implication that Blue does have a line, somewhere. Probably related to polling numbers.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      President Joe Biden Sets “Red Line” For Netanyahu (2024, Colorized)

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• WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Exactly. In my experience it works like this:

  1. Blue maga folks make a post bitching again about left-wing voters staying home - precisely what those left wing voters explicitly and repeatedly warned the centrist dems they would do if Biden didn’t stop weapons shipments to Israel.

  2. In that post, blue maga folks will say, “well, for some reason all the leftists who spoke against Biden have mysteriously disappeared. We never hear from them again. I guess they were all just Russian plants.”

  3. In the comments, they receive numerous comments from leftists who didn’t vote for Kalama, or in my case, someone who did vote for Kamala, but still fully understands why people didn’t vote for her.

  4. Blue maga downvotes the Hell out of the leftist post instead of engaging in good faith. They downvote until their posts cannot be seen anymore.

  5. Blue maga goes on pretending that the anti-genocide leftists have all just mysteriously disappeared.

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  • Lumiluz@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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    Leftists don’t let Nazis get into power, even if it means dealing with corporatists some more years.

    You’re not a leftist. You did nothing to avoid the farthest of the right-wing from gaining possibly absolute power. You did nothing to keep things leftward, or even center right - you just allowed the fascists to take over without a struggle.

    You’re not the resistance, you’re not a helper, you’re not leftist; you’re nothing.

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    • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Fun fact: the KPD refuses to work with the SPD becauae they view the SPD as “social fascists”. Since the KPD and NSDAP combined is a majority, that means the parties had to work with either one of the two to form a governement. Eventually a coalition government was formed with the NSDAP with hitler as chancellor, and the rest is history.

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      • spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Oh wow, so it really is just a speedrun 1920s/30s Germany.

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Fun fact: the SPD refused to work with the KPD and instead supported the “moderate” right which only exacerbated the decline, and it was the candidate they endorsed who appointed Hitler chancellor and allowed him to seize power.

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  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    precisely what those left wing voters explicitly and repeatedly warned the centrist dems they would do

    So, like, they told us they were going to be stupid?

    What do you do with people straight up telling you they’re going to be stupid?

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yes, we did.

      Let’s play a game. You and me have to agree on how to split $100, but if we don’t come to agreement, nobody gets anything. If I were a smart, rational person, then even if you were only willing to give me $1, I should accept, because it’s better than $0. But I’m not a smart, rational person, I’m stupid, I’m irrational, I’m spiteful and vindictive, oogy boogy, watch out! I’m gonna choose a number as my minimum, and if you offer me less than that, I’ll take my ball and go home. And if you know that, I bet you offer me more than $1 next time.

      Obviously, the “game theory rational” play of accepting any deal even if it’s $1 isn’t actually smart or reasonable, nor is it unreasonable to set and enforce a minimum standard for cooperation. We can argue over where that line should be drawn, but a line should be drawn somewhere, and I’m pretty damn sure genocide is crossing it.

      Of course, it’s impossible to get you lot to see actual reason or understand how negotiation works, but failing that, I’d prefer that you see us as “stupid” or “unreasonable.” Because negotiating with a robot is incredibly easy, you hardly have to give them anything, just make it .000001% better than the alternative. But if you can convince the other side you’re “unreasonable,” then they’ll always be second-guessing “Did we give them enough?” which is a much stronger position. Call us “stupid” as much as you like, it only gives us a stronger negotiating position 💅

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  • hark@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Don’t forget: 4.5. Leftists get moderated for saying Biden supported genocide (with the reason given for the moderation being “misinformation”) and receive a ban.

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    • Lightor@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      First we had the victim complex, now we introduce the pre-victim complex, now with more self pity!

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      • hark@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        There is a reason I wrote what I wrote.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    GeNoCiDe

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    blue maga

    Thanks for putting this so early in the comment so I know to stop reading!

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    • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Thanks for outing yourself as blue maga.

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  • spacesatan@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    And of course during the next primary: ‘we have to rally around 99% hitler to stand a chance against 100% hitler, 0% hitler is just too radical to win the general election.’

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• phdepressed@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Blue is only ok with 1 external genocide and there was a possibility of pressuring Blue to be a decent human. Red is starting an internal genocide while supporting 2+ external genocides. Red would start another genocide just to be contrarian. With no other options less genocide is a fairly simple choice over more genocide. Not choosing less genocide allows more genocide. Congrats the blood is up to your knees and rising instead of just your ankles.

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• DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That’s because you aren’t informed.

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• spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Well, we can’t make you see the difference if you don’t want to.

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  • SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Of course there’s a difference if you really get into it, but much like the two main parties here, I don’t see the point.

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    • spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Again, we can’t make you see the point if you don’t want to.

      You appear to be looking to not tell the two apart, and I don’t particularly care to go into all the reasons why this mentality is stupid and reductive as hell to the point of being actively poisonous to the ends you’re working to achieve. Because I’ve had this conversation before, and I literally can’t make you see the point in looking into the differences when you don’t want to. And, imo, that’s the exact mentality that got us here, because why bother voting less bad when ThErE’s No DiFfErEnCe BeTwEeN tHeM.

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      • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Propaganda works and it made a SHIT TON of Americans stupid enough to not grasp the obvious differences between the parties. All you have to do is browse both party’s voting history or look up both party’s criminal convictions and the difference becomes to extreme it’s undeniable.

        But Americans are generally too lazy and stupid to do that simple task.

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      • SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’m trying to make a point about how similar they are, I don’t think you’ve understood that, don’t see the point in arguing with a leftist. We have a similar issue.

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• recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Just glad you get multiple flavors to support you genocidal fuckwit.

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  • SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Sorry, how am I a “genocidal fuckwit”? I voted for a party against genocide…

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    • recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And how’s that going? Was the outcome in line with your protest vote?

      I hope those Palestinians get ahold of you ;]

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      • SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You don’t know what you’re on about cause you don’t know who I voted for. Have a good night.

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