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samus12345@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• mholiv@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m guessing you don’t come from a region that has been historically Abrahamic. I’m secular myself but it’s interesting that you would throw Satan in there with the rest.

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  • samus12345@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I do, and I’m not sure why what I said would make you think otherwise… The way Satan is popularly depicted today makes him indistinguishable from the “evil gods” of other religions.

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    • galanthus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well, the way Satan is depicted in pop culture has little to do with actual christianity, and I am not sure why you felt the need to include him, despite the fact he is a very minor character in christianity, and also even in the popular depiction he is not nearly on the same level, as he was created by God, is not omnipotent, omniscient, unlike God, etc.

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      • samus12345@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Listen to Evangelicals rant about Satan. They won’t say he’s on the same level,. but they act like he is.

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      • AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If Satan is less powerful, that means god can stop evil but chooses not to?

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      • Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        he is a very minor character in christianity

        In the text, definitely. In the practiced religion (especially in America), not so much. And even in the text he has a much larger role than in its predecessor Judaism.

        I think the pop culture versions of religions have become so deeply ingrained that they became a part of many adherent’s actual beliefs. For example, ask the average Catholic to describe hell and see how long it takes for something from Paradise Lost to pop up.

        even in the popular depiction he is not nearly on the same level, as he was created by God, is not omnipotent, omniscient, unlike God, etc.

        Why would that disqualify him as god-like? Polytheistic religions had gods of varying strengths, many created by other gods - the Greek pantheon is a tangle of lesser gods created by greater ones, and even Zeus came from Chronos, a Titan (which is somehow different from a god).

        The whole assigning of godhood seems completely arbitrary to me. Archangels are more powerful than many full-on gods from other mythologies yet somehow don’t count, whereas even humans could have been (or will become) gods in other lives in religions such as Jainism or Mormonism.

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    • MBM@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Back when I still went to (Catholic) Church I don’t remember ever hearing about Satan/the devil/Lucifer/whatever

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      • samus12345@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Catholics don’t tend to obsess over him like Evengelicals, that’s for sure.

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    • mholiv@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      True if all of your knowledge of religion comes from pop culture I can see how someone might see it that way.

      Like in Family Guy or other Seth Rogan shows Satan, Jesus and “God” are all depicted as equals bickering.

      Thanks for your thoughts here. They’re interesting.

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      • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yesyes, it’s actually a fallen angel, servant of god. Same animal, different cloth.

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      • samus12345@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No pop culture needed, just listen to Evangelicals. To hear them tell it, Satan is this huge powerful force that meddles in human affairs constantly.

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    • RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Older versions of the Bible contain references to “Hades” which was changed to “hell” in the King James Version.

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    American Christianity has very little to do with the Bible.

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    • mholiv@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean Americans do a lot of dumb stuff. And I don’t think we need to make every thread American centric.

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  • kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    American christianity is basically zoroastrianism

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• Rakonat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  One god, multiple personalities. They didn’t have schizophrenia medication back then.

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• ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And Trump if you’re a conservative American

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• zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Maybe that one god is just plural

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  • TomAwsm@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Imagine religious people realizing God’s pronouns are actually they/them

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    • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I do know an Anglican priest-in-training who refers to God with They/Them pronouns because thinking of God in a monogender way is weird to them. This apparently isn’t particularly controversial within their mini community, although there was a big argument once when someone suggested that capitalised pronouns (such as He/Him or They/Them) technically means God uses neopronouns

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    • zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I get the joke, but I just want to clarify to readers that plurality does not imply they/them pronouns.

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• deaf_fish@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The way I look at it is basically the Bible is up for interpretation. Because if you read it literally it uh… Well it’s not good.

  So if you think about it, there are actually several. Christian gods. Each one slightly different based on which verses of the Bible you interpret literally versus figuratively.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And a few dotzen tin gods.

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• 4oreman@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  no ; its just satan

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