Tankies are factually left-wing. Their actions, however, sometimes play into the deck of right-wingers as they try to fuck around with the system.
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dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 days ago
Tankies are right wing. Watch them make excuses for Russia and say NATO should pull out of Ukraine. Watch them say a Trump presidency is better than the alternative.
Allero@lemmy.today 3 days ago
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 days ago
Stalin criminalised homosexuality with a punishment of five years prison labour. Go ahead and repeat that fact on Hexbear, and see how many “radical leftists” are willing to make excuses for a homophobe
Allero@lemmy.today 3 days ago
Stalin is a conflicting historical figure, who is neither a monster nor a savior, and so the way you describe him would differ depending on the angle of the conversation.
If the talking point is the rights of the LGBT+ people (or, really, people’s rights overall sometimes), there’s no excuse for him there, and I’m pretty sure Hexbear is not quite the place for a homophobic rhetoric.
But they may point out in other terms that under Stalin’s rule the economy got insanely boosted, the WW2 was won, and many megaprojects used to this day were constructed.
vga@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
Stalin is a conflicting historical figure, who is neither a monster nor a savior
His one and only remeeding deed was that he finally, eventually, only after being stabbed in the back, fought against Hitler by throwing millions of russians at them and thanks to US support managed barely to win.
In every other way he was a total monster.
cook_pass_babtridge@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
You could say the same things about Churchill who certainly wasn’t left wing.
chandlerbung@lemmy.cafe 3 days ago
No he’s a monster. You don’t stop being a monster because you also did good alongside the evil.
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Being lucky oil prices went up (same for Putin) and people thinking it’s your magic leadership lol.
j_overgrens@feddit.nl 3 days ago
Replace Stalin with Hitler and you understand how insane you sound. (Oh and ditch the part about winning ww2)
Miaou@jlai.lu 3 days ago
And those two things you mentioned have nothing to do with his political alignment
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 days ago
People have said that plenty on .ml. The only response I saw was people saying that was a bad move from Stalin and he should not have done that.
naught101@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Isn’t this just an argument that left-right is a bad categorisation?
Tankies are authoritarian socialists. The american right are authoritarian and socially conservative individualists. Anarchists are libertarian socialists. American libertarians are also individualists.
There are lots of other dimensions too, but the left-right designation has been kind of useless at least since communists started fucking over anarchists in various parts of Eurasia in the first half of last century…
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
No, it’s an argument that not everybody who claims to be left is actually progressive. Not everybody who promotes ownership of means of production by the people actually cares about human rights.
Tankies aren’t left.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Criminalising homosexuality was a mistake, and a consequence of a process of rolling back on some of the cultural progress achieved during the 1920s in the USSR due to fear of a situation like the pushback against early collectivisation efforts after the end of the New Economic Policy era. Nobody on hexbear will excuse this. What they will tell you is the massive boost in literacy during Stalin’s rule, especially among women; the guarantee of employment by the state, the immense equalisation of wages, the total elimination of private property through the collectivisation of agriculture and industry, the guarantee of free healthcare and education de jura and de facto, the world-unprecedented industrial growth and improvement of the economic situation of citizens of the Soviet Union, the massive push towards unionisation of workers and participation in policy through party membership, and the most intense struggle against fascism that coated 27 million lives.
Now, you named one right wing policy, I named a list of communist policy, please explain me how the overall is “right wing”
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You mean the war with Hitler? That the URSS started with Hitler?
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I wonder if that literacy rate ratio change was the result of the mass exodus and death as poor people starved in the late 20s through 30s as a direct result of the 1920s USSR economic changes which failed to provide means of centralized agriculture management. I don’t actually know for certain, but maybe.
One thing I will give them is that they were allowed to work as far back as in the early revolution.
Right Wing is usually defined as conservative and regressive, which definitely applies to CCP and Russia erosion of democracy and rolling back of human rights, and also definitely aligns with the Maga low taxation, less government services, deconstruction of NATO, etc. Tankies supported Trump, btw, his face was being promoted all over Hexbear.
pyre@lemmy.world 3 days ago
no they have right wing ideals. they just use left wing terminology to push a right wing worldview.
Allero@lemmy.today 3 days ago
As in economic equality and support for disadvantaged groups?
Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Only to those who fall in line, else they get the tank again.
Miaou@jlai.lu 3 days ago
As in “we are anti imperialists, unless we’re the ones doing the oppression”. Honestly, ime, a common position amongst global south immigrants getting their first high-ish salary in Europe. All about wealth redistribution until you realise you can fly back home and live like a king off those inequalities.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 3 days ago
“TaNkIeS hAvE rIgHtWiNg IdEaLs”
The ideals: collectivisation of the means of production and of agricultural land, guaranteed employment, guaranteed housing, free universal healthcare and education to the highest level, guaranteed public pensions, equalization of wages between jobs, push towards unionisation, defence of LGTBQ and women’s rights, defence of indigenous movements and racial minorities, anti-racism, anti-imperialism…
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 days ago
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 days ago
“And that’s why Stalin was so good”
All of that was soo bad under Stalin it’d be hilarious if it wasnt for the millions of easily prevented deaths and all the easily ore entable suffering.
Lol
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I feel like Russia is further right than the US.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 days ago
Socially for sure but economically it might be debatable. They have universal healthcare after all.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Thanks now the stereoscope thing makes sense. I was freaking out thinking people were putting politics in medicine
GoldenCow@lemm.ee 2 days ago
so how come biden could not get a cease fire for the genocide of palestine and trump got it day 1?
i cannot wait for drag to volunteer to go fight for ukraine! im sure you could get dronerights to help you
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 days ago
You know what Trump’s going to get day 1? So you can see the future? Awesome!
Just one question - how can Trump get a ceasefire in two days if Biden has already got Hamas and Israel to agree to a ceasefire? Is Biden’s ceasefire going to fall through some time in the next two days?
GoldenCow@lemm.ee 2 days ago
wrong it was trump calling bibi that got the deal
biden was seething over obama throwing him under the bus to dine in a $2000 winecave
it already happened
daddy’s home
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 days ago
Donald Trump boasted on Wednesday of almost daily conversations with Benjamin Netanyahu, saying that he has a very good relationship with the Israeli prime minister.
Trump has previously cast himself as Israel’s “protector” and said Netanyahu’s government must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas.
“Bibi called me yesterday, called me the day before,” the Republican candidate, using Netanyahu’s nickname.
“We have a very good relationship,” Trump said at a campaign rally in the US state of Georgia, adding: “We’re going to work with them very closely.”
So you’re saying Bibi’s best friend who calls him every day is a hero to the Palestinian people?
drmoose@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I used to consider myself quite a socialist but tankies really straightened me out by taking side of Russia and Soviet Union of which I’ve experienced the horrors off first hand myself. There is socialism without cancers like Kremlin and CCP but the whole thing has been ruined and hijacked by these idiots just like alt-right ruined conservatives.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 days ago
You could try anarchism instead
greedytacothief@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I’ve been reading “the dispossessed” by Ursula k le guin, and I’m becoming increasingly interested in anarchy. Where should I look for more information on it?
naught101@lemmy.world 3 days ago
George Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia was pretty inspiring to me
(I’ll also add that Anna Funder’s Wifedom make Orwell seem a bit fucked in his personal life. I haven’t read it yet, just had convos with people who did. Seems maybe Homage to Catalonia could have been a better book if he was less of a mysogynist)
drmoose@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yeah, I’m quite fond of it!
I’m traveling around south east asia working remotely and staying in small expat communities for a few years at a time (long term visas are still hard). There are a lot of small communities all over the place here in Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Laos, Cambodia. I’d hesitate to call them anarchist per se because it’s still kinda overseen by local authorities when it comes to crime and visas etc. but it’s pretty close otherwise!
That being said I don’t know how anarchism could be sustainable at scale without a major cultural reset, so I’m not sold on the idea it would work for giant homogenous places like China or US.
frezik@midwest.social 3 days ago
I think I’m anarchist in terms of personality, but I’m not quite there politically. Like you, I’m not quite sure how to get there from here. If we do things like mutual aid and support unions, I don’t think we’ll go wrong, and that could end up leading to anarchism at some point in the future.
Where I’m anarchist in personality is that I fundamentally don’t understand why you would want to be an authoritarian. When I first read 1984 and there’s the bit from O’Brien about how the system is there for power as an end to itself, I didn’t understand why anybody would want that. I can kinda see power as a way of gaining a comfortable life for yourself–usually at the expense of others–but not as its own end. I still don’t understand it, but have come to accept that there are people like that.
Some of those people are draped in thin blue line flags, and some of those people are draped in a hammer and sickle.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 days ago
Maybe China and the US shouldn’t be giant and homogeneous.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Problem is Anarchism is hijacked by people who want to destroy specific governments.
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 2 days ago
It’s possible to have an idiology and at the same time disagree with other people with that idiology.
Leftists especially are famous for disagreeing with each other.
I’m a socialist, but I don’t think mass centralization of power will ever lead to a good outcome. I believe in Richard Wolff’s ideology, which involves forcing corporations to be worker-owned cooperatives.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I don’t know man it feels like it’s too far gone. I’m getting constantly bullied for saying soviet union was actually evil and should not be aspired to which is such a turn off.