Why does neuro divergent only mean Autistic and ADHD?

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• yakko@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Wiki:

  Neurodivergences include autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), bipolar disorder, developmental prosopagnosia, developmental speech disorders, dyslexia, dysgraphia, dyspraxia, dyscalculia, dysnomia, intellectual disability, obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD), sensory processing disorder, synesthesia, Tourette syndrome, and more.

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• swordgeek@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It absolutely doesn’t.

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• HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It doesn’t.

  But to answer a question of “why does it seem to be?”, they seem to be the most visible both in percentage of the population and having visible effects on someone’s personality.

  I wouldn’t be surprised if bipolar becomes bigger over time as it becomes more recognized outside of severe cases.

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It literally means the opposite of neurotypical and covers way more than autism and ADHD.

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  • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    almost:

    Neurodivergences include autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), bipolar disorder, developmental prosopagnosia, developmental speech disorders, dyslexia, dysgraphia, dyspraxia, dyscalculia, dysnomia, intellectual disability, obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD), sensory processing disorder, synesthesia, Tourette syndrome, and more.[3][4]

    part of the point of the classification is that neurodivergent individuals often have depressive or anxiety disorders only as a result of pressure from neuronormative society to fit in. things like depression and anxiety are not considered neurodiversity in themselves.

    the inclusion of personality disorders is controversial (partly for similar reasons), but the inclusion of schizophrenia is unchallenged.

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    • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Just FYI to your FYI: Major Depressive Disorder is when your depression is caused by broken brain and not broken world.

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• Brainsploosh@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Depending on the context, it doesn’t.

  In my area there’s a contrast between neurophysiological handicap (meaning loss of function due to brain structure) and neurodiversity (meaning differing function due to brain structure), with the former including dyslexia, ocd, schizophrenia, asd, adhd, etc, and the latter also giftedness and non-pathological/on-the-spectrum type of differences.

  As to why not everyone falls into neurodiversity, that’s because we choose the meaning to give to words, and having another word for “everyone” is currently less useful than for “people with slight brain variations that have a lot more trouble in society than they did just a generation ago”.

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• some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It doesn’t. I’m neurodivergent. I am bi-polar.

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• communism@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It doesn’t…

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• dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Any mental illness could be regarded as a type of diversity.

  Yes, that’s the purpose of the term “neurodivergent”, to destigmatize mental illness. Many mental illnesses can be lived with, in a relatively normal way, and could also benefit from societal awareness, accommodation and integration. Also, they could incur a risk of discrimination. They also have no cure, just like a physical disability e.g. a leg amputation, is simply a different body condition that will not change. Much like “person with disability”, the correct term should be “neurodivergent person” or “person with neurodivergency”, to avoid the appropriation of the word as a derogatory term.

  The “all brains are unique” side, doesn’t actually work. It’s a slippery slope that runs the risk of rendering oppressed minorities invisible. See the, “we are all sexually diverse”, dog whistle that was used in right wing rhetoric as an attempt to erase LGBTQ+ pride.

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• GreenBeard@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You want the official answer or the somewhat more “woke” answer?

  Technically, it doesn’t. Neurodivergent is a broad umbrella that means a number of different disorders. Including, but not limited to, autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), bipolar disorder, developmental prosopagnosia, developmental speech disorders, dyslexia, dysgraphia, dyspraxia, dyscalculia, dysnomia, intellectual disability, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Disorder (FASD), obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD), sensory processing disorder, synesthesia, Tourette syndrome, and more.

  Why do most people THINK it only means Autism and ADHD? They tend to get more media attention.

  The “woke” bit is Autism and ADHD have been historically “male coded” disorders, while things like Bipolar, OCD, etc. were either female coded or gender neutral in popular culture. For a long time they didn’t even think women could have Autism or ADHD.

  I for one don’t want to pretend I didn’t benefit from more pearl clutching over people’s “perfect baby boys” being a little atypical neurologically. I did, and it’s silly to pretend I didn’t. Also as one of the “Flagship” neurodivergences, I’m also more likely to end up in a MAHA gas chamber to “Purify the Gene Pool”, so there’s both upsides and downsides to penis-privilage, but at least people care which is more than some other spectra get.

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• AskewLord@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  it doesn’t, but that’s how internet weirdos use it almost exclusively because they are circle jerking about their self-diagnoses mostly.

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• Malica@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It doesn’t? It includes things like cptsd

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• Wren@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It doesn’t.

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• scallisto@retrofed.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Everybody has already mentioned that, actually, neurodivergence isn’t exclusive to ASD and ADHD!

  As for your point about it being for everybody, that is definitely a heated argument. You could argue that neurodivergent conditions were created, in part, to separate them from the “normal” people (especially in earlier times), but you could also say that having a good classification means you can better help people who have these sorts of conditions (especially in modern times! We are in a golden age of accessibility!)

  Speaking as somebody who was diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome as a kid, now part of ASD :D

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• postman@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Just curious, does me being, for example, a massive Mensa type genius make me neurodivergent? Asking for a friend.

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  • Brainsploosh@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Giftedness, including rare high iq as required for Mensa membership, has a lot in common with neurodiverse brains. Neurodiversity is however commonly defined as a pathology, and giftedness is not yet understood as a hindrance to a functioning everyday life, and as such doesn’t meet one of the basic criteria for pathology.

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  • clanker_victim_555@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Mensa is for losers. Smart people that actually use their brains have real world accomplishments, not just membership in the smart people club.

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    • postman@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Why is everyone so serious in this thread.

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• Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Those are probably the most common forms of neurodiversity, but they definitely aren’t the only ones.

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• dingus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Sometimes I feel as though I am a bit “neruodivergent” in that I am much more sensitive than others…yet I do not have anything remotely like ADHD or autism, so I don’t call myself it.

  No, I do not at all meet the criteria of HSP either. My sensitivity is specific to interpersonal relationships, NOT the five senses.

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  • AskewLord@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s called being a normal person. Everyone is more sensitive to friends and family than random strangers….

    This obsessive need to pathologize ordinary life expereinces is counter-productive to everyone. You’re not special, you’re just boring and average.

    Way too many online weirdos basically want to be mentally ill, because it gives them something to blame that isn’t themselves.

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    • dingus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Look, I get what you’re saying. This new trend of patholgizing everything annoys me too. It’s one of the reasons I generally deny “neruodivergence”, as I said.

      But no, the way I’ve experienced emotions is not typical of most people. I struggled intensely during my childhood and in periods of my adulthood because of it. I nearly lost my job last year because of how powerful these emotions are.

      It took me actually seeing and recognizing that I am a little bit different than people and it does make me struggle harder than others in order to accept myself and work within my nature instead of against it. I can work with it instead of just trying to clam up and behave like society has always wanted me to.

      I had a hell of a lot of therapy since then and I am in a much better place in life than I have ever been before. I also take a medication that I’m not if it is really doing much or not, but I’m afraid to stop taking it just yet.

      There is some credence to recognizing that some people may struggle more in life in X way, and others may struggle more in life in Y way.

      It’s not in the name of patholgizing for the sake of patholgizing. It’s instead for, as I see it, two reasons:

      1. Understanding what your roadblocks are and that they may differ from others. When you have a roadblock that someone else doesn’t, obviously you then need to find a technique to handle said roadblock.

      2. Compassion and understanding for those who struggle with things that you don’t. You may not be aware how significantly and deeply you are affecting someone simply because you do not even know their struggle exists.

      I hope that makes sense.

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    • scallisto@retrofed.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What the hell mate?!

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