Marketing. They can advertise higher numbers than they practically deliver.
How come manufacturers use base 10 units when calculating the space of a hard drive? Giving you 931GB per TB Hard Drive. Why not advertise the number windows reads?
Submitted 2 days ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s not 931 GB, it’s 931 GiB. If there’s a choice between brand A’s 931 GiB drive and brand B’s 1 TB drive, which do you think will fly off the shelves faster?
Ariselas@piefed.ca 2 days ago
I remember hearing about some burger joint (maybe a burger king of sorts) that came out with a 1/3rd pounder to compete with the 1/4 pounder. But it failed because the perception was that 4 is bigger than 3. Math is hard for people.
BlahajByte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-pound_burger
It was A&W
BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Yep, I think it was A&W, and we had this exact discussion at work, because the coworker wanted more beef with the 4 unit
Cort@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m genuinely surprised that manufacturers use bytes instead of bits, the numbers could be 8x higher
ExtremeUnicorn@feddit.org 1 day ago
This problem basically stems from the issue that Windows displays Mebibyte/Gibibyte vales, but falsely calls them MB/GB instead of the correct MiB/GiB, for whatever reason.
This has been an issue for decades and I don’t think it ever got addressed.
My guess is they don’t want to irritate users not only with the “wrong” menory size, but also an abbreviation they don’t know.
calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
for whatever reason
Windows is basically older than the "Xbibyte"s.
Not saying that they shouldn’t switch. But there is a reason.
expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
And you are correct, and to add to it, your formatting information also takes up space. But your point is far more pertinent.
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Here come the Mebibytes
It’s the MiBs, here come the MiBs
Here come the Mebibytes
(Mebibytes)
That you won’t rememberrockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
It has to do with SI units, marketing, computer science, and a few other intersections. Before marketing took over the term, kilo-, mega-, giga-, and all other methods of measuring data were powers of 2, because binary is a base 2 number system. So a kilobyte is 2^10^ bytes, megabytes are 2^20^ bytes, gigabytes are 2^30^ bytes, etc. These units are denoted as KB, MB, GB, etc.
Well, to marketing ghouls, this standard is just simply too inconvenient because it’s not in base 10. So they simply just rounded up. In small amounts of data, rounding to 1 kilobyte from 1000 bytes isn’t all that far off. But as you can imagine, this skews the correct amount of data as it starts growing to larger units.
Manufacturers were unwilling to listen to the people that understand computers, so IEEE created a new standard unit, the -ibibyte, to clear the confusion that capitalists needlessly invented. So now the units that are in powers of 2 are called kibibytes, mebibytes, gibibytes, etc. these units are denoted with KiB, MiB, GiB, etc.
adarza@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
iirc the early hdd did use binary units for specifications. marketing and greed got them to switch to the ‘larger’ decimal-based units… bigger numbers sell better or some bullshit.
there’s been lawsuits over it, which is why the retail boxes and manufacturer web sites have the disclaimer about them using decimal-based units.
DaleGribble88@programming.dev 2 days ago
Marketing says it has 1,000,000,000,000 bytes, aka 1 Trillion bytes. SI unit naming conventions dictate that is 1 Tera-of-bytes.
Computers work with powers of 2 (Like 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, …), and wouldn’t you know that 2^10 is 1024. So computer scientist will use 1024 as a stand in for Kilobyte because it makes a lot of the math elsewhere much easier.
So, when you buy a 1TB hard drive, the manufacturer is advertising it at 1 Trillion bytes. However, your operating system, like Windows or Linux or MacOS, divides by 1024 when doing the conversion like so: 1 Trillion / 1024 / 1024 / 1024. That works out to just over 931.
To help avoid confusion, the proper term for the 1024 number is a “Kibibyte,” abbreviated KiB, instead of a “kilobyte,” abbreviated KB. Similar names exist for Mebibytes, Gibibytes, Tibibytes and beyond!
TL;DR Your box is measured in TB and your computer measures in TiB because 1st number is bigger and 2nd number is actually useful.
unitedwithme@lemmy.today 2 days ago
Exactly this! MiB and MB were used interchangeably 30+years ago and MB stuck probably because if was easier to say and remember. Plus, 1000 bytes vs 1024 bytes wasn’t a big difference, same with 1,000KB vs 1,024KB. I recall Windows XP seeing my 16GB flash drive as 14.5GB. Now my 16TB drives are “14.5TB”.
__siru__@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
For the record, this is just windows. MacOS and (most) flavors of Linux use the standard SI units. And also, just because computers are base2 for the mathematics inside the processor, that doesn’t mean they have problems dealing with number other than 2^n. That would be equivalent to saying that humans can only use numbers like 10, 100, 1000 and nothing in between.
(The only area where things do get difficult is calculating with fractional values, such as 1/3 because the count of decimals needed to represent can vary depending on the base. For example, 1/3 is difficult to represent in base10 because it is infinite 0.333… however in base3 it requires only a single ‘decimal’/fractional digit 0.1.)
DaleGribble88@programming.dev 1 day ago
Good to know about MacOS and Linux. I usually never turn on the human readable mode on my distros because most are VMs.
Anyway, computer’s absolutely work best with working with numbers 2^n. That gives the most amount of space per bit. Otherwise, we would end up using the same amount of transistors for a fewer number of states. They could also greatly complicate the ALU to determine if it suddenly entered a forbidden state. Two’s compliment would certainly be much more difficult.
Submitting would be nearly impossible too
speculate7383@lemmy.today 19 hours ago
“Stop trying to make ‘fetch’ happen! It’s not going to happen!”