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I mean, it sounds like you’re seen as the bad guy because you’re harassing people over stuff they don’t want to talk to you about. You can’t just shove your opinion at people when they don’t want it.
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Submitted 2 weeks ago by LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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disregardable@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Clearly, you didn’t read the post.
PoastRotato@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Typically, when someone tosses a “thought-terminating cliche” or “ultimate argument-ender” at you, it’s not because they think it’ll make them “win” the argument. It’s because they want to be done talking to you.
Bougie_Birdie@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Because people keep paying for blatant scams, terrible deals, and shit we don’t need in general. It’s why everything keeps getting so expensive, INCLUDING our necesities, and they won’t get cheaper until people stop buying. It’s why companies are allowed to get away with ripping us off or doing blatantly evil shit, and they’re not gonna stop until people stop buying.
I’d argue the reason why prices keep going up is due to the parasite class at the top squeezing people more with each passing day.
What do you view as people being smart with their money, like investments and bonds and stuff? I can’t afford groceries, I certainly can’t afford a 401k. Likewise, it’s rational to save for retirement, but with WW3 escalating, the climate crisis, and a general feeling that you might not live to see next week - people are going to ask what’s the point?
Although I will agree that the blame for rampant consumerism outside of necessities must lie at least partly with the consumers. It takes two to tango after all
More to your question: I’ve never actually heard someone use that phrase, but I have encountered the sentiment that someone can spend their own money however they see fit. That’s entirely true, and you’re not going to change their mind if you take an aggressive stance. If you call people stupid for spending their money on their own happiness then you’re not going to ingratiate yourselves to them and they’re just as likely to spend more to spite you, further entrenching their own opinion.
Gentleness, empathy, and education go a lot further in influencing people’s behaviour. Their opinion of how they spend their money feels correct to them, just as your opinion of how they spend their money feels wrong to you. In any conflict you have to allow that your opinion isn’t correct just because it’s your opinion - either side usually does not have all the facts or perspectives
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
it’s actually the #1 reason why the economy is so terrible.
I don’t think it even makes the top 100 …
It also PUNISHES the good guys for being SMART with their money!
How so? Also what is being “smart” with your money?
Why am I seen as the bad guy for not wanting people to be stupid with their money?
Telling other people what they should/shouldn’t do with their own stuff is widely consider to be a dick move.
JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lead by example. Stop preaching, start showing a better way to be. Don’t talk about it; just live by your ethics and be contented. If your way is truly better, people will start to adopt how you are doing things.
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This clearly isn’t the case. If your comment was true, I wouldn’t have had to make this post to begin with. Amazon would be out of business by now. And we would actually have a good president.
JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You have your experience, and I have mine. I’ve seen noticeable progress within my communities. Freecycle, Buy Nothing, repair parties, food banks, timebanks, work parties, upcycling, bicycle commuting/micro-mobility, small-scale hydroponics and gardening, local cleanups… All of these move the needle and show people a better way of doing things, ways to improve their own communities.
Clearly your way isn’t working, but you seem unwilling to hear anything that doesn’t align perfectly with your perspective.
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s why everything keeps getting so expensive, INCLUDING our necesities, and they won’t get cheaper until people stop buying.
How does one stop buying necessities?
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You can’t, but the prices of everything else will go down if we stop buying everything else, at least. If we ONLY buy necesities, our economy will HAVE to get better since liteally everything is being affected. But landlords will just look at the success of the Switch 2 or the newest iPhone and say “See? Clearly you guys aren’t suffering THAT bad! Time to charge you more!”
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You are making an assumption based on standard economic theory. Assuming a well regulated free and fair market. The world is neither, and not buying shit’s ability to lower prices is limited. They can just stop production, or limit sales, warehouse things for a time etc…
Lots of issues with elasticity of prices and not enough time is spent looking at how economic theory doesn’t work.
HubertManne@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I do think what you are saying is what is the number one reason the economy is so terrible and its not because of your content its because of the attitude. The idea that everyone should be as competent at I at X is the main reason america has been leading in making economies world wide worse. pull up by the bootstraps. be your own mechanic, plumber, lawyer, doctor, accountant. the fact is most people are not competent at most things. its simply not how society past agrarian can work. the guy who smokes and drinks and spend anything else he gets on lottery tickets is a great plumber. the gal who spends her paycheck on fandom and cons has a green thumb and is an incredible landscaper. A proper society has the average jane/joe spending their paycheck every week and that is fine and they should be living a fine life. Because that is going to happen regardless of what those who know better know. My devil it drives me nuts. The lates thing you see thrown around is. There are no jobs and can’t find one. No problem just make your own business. Everyone can’t make their own business. Its just bs from the wealthy. I mean heck making and running a business is not one competency but several and if you don’t have them all you can certainly start one but it will likely fail. This is exactly the attitude that leads to unstable societies that suffer crashes.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Brain dead post gets brain dead responses. Local moron says, 'You clearly didn’t read the post."
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Congradulations, you just admitted to losing the argument as soon as it started!
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t argue with children. Learn to spell.
Fallibilist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
First of all, your over-simplification of why the economy is so terrible is almost certainly inaccurate but I’m not even going to get into that as neither of us has the faintest clue of how the economy even works.
Secondly, I don’t think that’s what people mean by “being stupid” with their money. It’s more about buying things because you want rather than need them which is something we all do to some degree. Only buying what you need would basically mean living in a tent by a campfire eating canned beans. When people tell that to you it’s not to win an argument but to end it. They don’t want to hear it. It’s not like they don’t know what they’re doing.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
People spending money on stupid shit is not why the economy is so bad. You’re seen as the bad guy because your thinking here is way off base and you are trying to control others. Hence you look like a jackass.
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well, I might look like a jackass, but they’re the real jackasses. They could’ve saved this economy in the easiest way possible, and they chose the opposite.
radix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How do we get people to drop the saying “thought-terminating cliche?” It has an actual meaning, but is more often used by the “debate me” bros who are just lashing out any time someone doesn’t want to engage with bad-faith arguments.
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s a good thing my arguments aren’t bad-faith, and anyone who says otherwise admits to lying.
the_q@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Because people are selfish and stupid. They lack the ability to see how their spending habits have far reaching consequences and when presented with that information they get defensive and double down. It’s pointless to argue with them.
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why are they downvoting me? I’m right.
slazer2au@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because your initial reaction to anyone saying leave people to do what they want is “YoU cLeArLy DiDnT rEaDbThE pOsT” despite leaving people to do what they want is the right answer.
Not everyone can afford long term thinking when living paycheck to paycheck.
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well, it’s not my fault if they refuse to read the post before typing brain-dead comments that completely miss the point.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Why are you telling other people how to spend their money? Do you run a financial humiliation video channel?
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You clearly didn’t read the post.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
No, you have a desire, not a purpose. You also have people saying point blank that they don’t want to hear it from you. So, why are you doing it?
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes. We did.
It’s not the kind of statement people just drop, almost always is it a direct reply to people telling them how to spend (or not spend,) their money.
That’s why there’s a distinction between “my money” and “your money” and “other people’s money.”
You don’t get to decide what I place value on; just as I don’t get to decide your values for you.
kibblebits@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Why are you telling people what to do when you could be helping the world by ending Trump’s ability to inhale.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Send them to grammar school
serpineslair@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s their money and they should be allowed to be stupid with it.
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You didn’t read the post.
serpineslair@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I did.
If people have to work their ass off in this hellhole to make ends meet, they have a right to do what they will. None of your business really. Yeah it sucks people fund negative causes. It sucks people buy nvidia cards, shop on amazon, temu, yadda yadda. But at the end of the day, you cant force them. Just wish there was better education out there about this sort of thing.
But prying and trying to take the moral high ground will only make people more stubborn.