Submitted 6 days ago by Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com to [deleted]
assuming he could prove he did it, probanly trump, he’s ended up killing and terrorizing away more people with grave national damage that sent multiple messages across the world than 9-11 did.
That’s why so many countries tried so hard and succeeded in installing Trump the first, and especially the second time.
911 was terrible but I never worried about america folding.
Under trump im seriously questioning every day how long this country will survive.
911 was terrible but I never worried about america folding.
the goal of Osama bin Laden was to get the US into such a fucking quagmire that it would collapse by running out of money.
Sometimes I think he succeeded.
The Patriot Act and the invasion in Iraq based on nothing but lies were already the nails in the coffin for America.
As soon as 911 happened and I saw the immediate reactionary shift to authoritarian policies I figured our nation had failed. But all I can accomplish are little things, so that’s what strive for. Holding the door, treating cashiers etc with courtesy and respect, whatever small acts of kindness I can do, basically.
it’ll survive, the US is very malleable, but the world order is rapidly shifting so that other world powers and policies that are more hatmful than US policy are ascending or have surpassed the United States that the US cannot halt or change anymore, especially without allies that it’s withdrawn from or attacked.
I think the terror thing.
Because doing that terrorist attack is what got the US bogged into many wars which lead people to be fed up with the way the US is being run by traditional US presidents which ultimately led them to elect Trump (at least for first term).
Bush II lead to the tea party, which lead to MAGA.
first one, then the otherr
Ask Russia
How the hell would anyone on this site know the answer? Hypothetical questions like this are useless
You know it’s okay to have opinions about things, and even stuff, right?
My opinion is that this community needs some damn rules to differentiate it from asklemmy where “what do you think about X” posts make sense. We stole a bunch of subreddit’s names but apparent not what makes them unique
So there’s this trolley…
But what color of bicycle would he ride?
Whichever his CIA handlers told him is best for the interests of the owners of the US.
They’re the same choice.
If his goal is to kill as many Americans as possible, then he’s gonna go with Trump.
3,000 dead on 9/11 is nothing compared to Trump’s tally already due to war in Iran and trash policies that eliminate safety nets. Not to mention completely and utterly fucking up a pandemic response.
underThunder@thelemmy.club 6 days ago
Trump has and continues to do more damage to this country than Bin Laden ever could.
becausechemistry@piefed.social 6 days ago
As with all terrorism, the lasting damage is self-inflicted by the overreacting victim.
Turning every airport into the thin end of the fascist wedge, all the rampant surveillance stuff, and perpetual war in the middle east did quite a lot of structural damage to American democracy. I’m not sure we’d have elected the current dipshit-in-chief without 9/11 fifteen years earlier. We’d have kept electing publicly mostly boring and privately kinda shitty people for another few decades.
BassTurd@lemmy.world 6 days ago
That’s tough. Policies like Citizen United were a direct result of 9/11 and contributed to hidden and foreign money, and more corruption in our elections which may have aided in Trump’s victory but has definitely benefitted the GOP takeover in Congress.
On the flip side the damage Trump has done to the US has been incalculable. I don’t know if we’ll know the “correct” answer to this for another 15+ years. If significant positive change were to come from this, it wouldn’t nullify Trump’s actions, but it would certainly look different years later. I don’t see it happening, but until it doesn’t, there’s still a chance. There were no wins that came from 9/11.
yellerbadger@piefed.social 6 days ago
I hope given people are so disillusioned with Dems who run to the center and MAGA that leftism could have its moment in our lifetimes.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
More and more i see trump for what he really is. Hes a bag man. Sure, its lucrative but still contrived. The GOP manipulates him by constantly pushing their agenda on him knowing he will just blindly seek power. Sure he gets fed a bone everytime but he takes all the heat, all the blame, and the GOP can enact their wet dream policy knowing they can walk away from MAGA any day. Its really the lesson Bush taught them. Bush was slaughtered in the media but once he was gone so was all the culpability.
Trump is hand fed. Its almost admirable how devoted the GOP is to implement their agenda that no personal sacrifice from any one person in the party is too much. Too bad, they are evil. Thats the only way this strategy can work.