Does this imply that pigeons don’t experience the Uncanny Valley? Does it mean that we can determine whether non-human animals experience the Uncanny Valley? Because I would love to see a deep dive into how common that is in the animal kingdom.
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pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
cynar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’d also be fascinated if we figured out a way to do it
I personally suspect it’s not common in the animal kingdom. It’s quite likely a defense against leprosy, a disease that is most dangerous in larger society type communities, without outside predators (to pick off the sick).
That theory might be wrong however. Its distribution would tell us a lot about what it defends against.
Neondragon25@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I’ll throw in, probably for death and disease. many other animals have heightened smell, so humans had to evolve a different “sense” for that.
T156@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It might also be their version of the uncanny valley applies for different things.
A dog’s uncanny valley might be something that smells slightly off, but humans wouldn’t think much about a human that smells funny, for example.
A pigeon’s might focus on other features instead of the face.
pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Very good point! Would love to see that researched as well.
T156@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That diagram literally says that they don’t look the same to the pigeons, and seems to suggest that pigeons may play more value on the beak than they do on the eyes.
N0libri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Pigeons are immune to analogue horror
daannii@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Imagine for a moment that you have never seen a photo of yourself , ever. Or anyone who is a human.
Your whole life you grew up in a white room with other animals like you in cages.
The problem with using 2d images in animal research is that it is assumed that animals understand what photos are.
But they probably don’t. Or at least they don’t rely on them or interpret them like we do. From a young age we watch tv. Read picture books. Look at photos albums. Even draw each other.
Animals don’t have those experiences. Especially lab animals. They don’t even have the experience of seeing billboards or posters.
This is a huge problem in forming any type of conclusions from animal research like this.
It’s not impossible. But their perception is not like a humans.
They don’t see a photograph of a bird and recognize it’s their kind they are looking at.
They probably just think it’s a screen or paper. Or something like that.
Because 2d is unnatural. They likely have limited ability to understand it’s a representation.
Even humans can struggle with this (I can explain this more if someone asks).
How do birds identify each other?
Sounds they make ? Location? Movements ?
I’m not sure exactly but I doubt it’s solely visual face recognition.
Even dogs use smell more than visual face recognition.
Tetragrade@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
They discuss this in the paper. Scientists aren’t just randomly doing shit, they do actually put in thought.
Video Playback Techniques Pigeons are social animals. They often communicate with each other by exhibiting distinct behaviors, such as courtship displays in front of potential mates. Accord- ingly, the occurrence of a courtship display indicates that a bird ‘recognizes’ the visual object as a potential mate [Shimizu, 1998; Partan et al., 2005; Patton et al., 2010]. In studies in our laboratory, as well as that of Barrie J. Frost and Nikolaus F. Troje [Frost et al., 1998], subject pigeons were exposed to live stimulus pigeons, videotaped pi- geons, and photographs of pigeons to examine which vi- sual features can trigger spontaneous courtship displays.
daannii@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I never said the authors didn’t discuss this. I was explaining it to people less familiar with this issue.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 weeks ago
According to the abstract, pigeons can detect subtle local changes, but they don’t care about global changes.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
if they are all seen the same, what are the comparison symbols for?
moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
So in conclusion, beak size >
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Avicenna@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
horrors beyond my comprehension = everything
qaz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Some time ago I saw a video of a Pigeon trying to impress a Falcon, perhaps this could be the reason
callyral@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
if i were a pigeon i’d be fucking terrified
lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Do they even recognize them as pigeons?
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s fault tolerance. “I know a guy like that, his beak fell off. He’s still a pigeon though.”