Catch 22 vs. Rosenhan

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• Korval@lemmy.today ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  And yet, when the resident with the highest rate of correctly identifying impostors insists that the head psychiatrist is a reptoid, he is pooh-poohed.

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• JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Game respects game.

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• rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Makes sense, staff has relatively limited contact with patients compared to the other patients, and outside of research, what healthy person would get themselves admitted to a psychiatric hospital on purpose?

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  • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Patients lying about symptoms have been a medical issue for centuries. It is the main topic of Baudsillard’s philosophical analysis on simulacra and simulation. Think about it, a soldier who doesnt want to be deployed starts simulating symptoms of a disease to be discharged. How would you catch him, can you? The answer seems straight forward, until you scrutinize it in detail. Neither military or medical knowledge actually have an answer. The kid who doesn’t want to go to school says he has a headache and a tummy ache. How do you validate another’s conscious and sensory experience? Hypochondriacs affirm to develop every disease they hear about. People under stress feel and have somatic symptoms akin to physical diseases, even when functionally nothing is wrong with them. Etcetera. Disease and diagnosis are not so simple and straight forward, not even when talking about bodily functions.

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• cadekat@pawb.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Huh, how accurate/precise (I always mix them up) were the real patients? Did they just identify every other patient as an imposter?

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  • MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This shows the difference between accuracy and precision.

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    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The high accuracy, low precision regime seems so strange to me! I think not many would call that situation “high accuracy” with most of the shots missing the bullseye!

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    • Korval@lemmy.today ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There’s also a difference between not knowing the difference and always getting them mixed up. The diagram doesn’t help with the stated problem.

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    • gh0stb4tz@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Thank you.

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  • Fmstrat@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sometimes the visual example doesn’t work well when describing math. So an alternate:

    Pick a number 1 - 10. 8. Correct and accurate.

    Pick a number 1 - 10. 3.1415926535. Uhh, precise, but not accurate.

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  • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’d be interested in consistency too.

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• Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Call that peer reviewed diagnosis

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• Kenny2999@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Raising questions about anything at work only gets you more work.

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