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France seeks to ban social media for children under 15

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨remington@beehaw.org⁩ to ⁨technology@beehaw.org⁩

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/12/31/france-seeks-to-ban-social-media-for-children-under-15_6748972_7.html

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  • Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    *France seeks to implement mass surveillance online by requesting age verification, but politicians wrap it in “we do it to protect the children” which is bullshit.

    Protect your rights to privacy, stand up against such erosion of your rights.

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    • fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Protect children” bills never protect children

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      • vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Banning alcohol and cigarettes from children seems to have worked, if not perfect, rather fine.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sex offender registry?

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    • sunbeam60@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Both could be true at the same time.

      I’ve got four kids. I’d love nothing more than ban social media for them until 16. It really is poison for developing minds.

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      • fantasyocean@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There are these crazy things called “parental controls”. You’ve probably never heard of them, but they’re on nearly every single personal computing device. OR, and hear me out. You could just buy a dumb phone for your kids until they’re sixteen, and if they want to take pictures, buy them an inexpensive digital camera. It would be cheaper overall than buying them an iPhone. But no, that’s probably too difficult for you, so everyone else has to give even more of their personal information if they want to use Facebook Marketplace or whatever.

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      • t3rmit3@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can.

        You just don’t want to either a) put in the legwork to do so, or b) be the ‘bad guy’ to your kids for doing it, so instead you just want the government to do it for you.

        What’s stopping you from setting up pihole and blocking social media sites at home, or turning on parental controls on their phones and blocking the sites and apps?

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      • Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I agree that big tech’s social media is like digital heroin, not only bad for kids.

        But it should be up to the parent to protect their kids, you also don’t let them walk the park alone, why should you let them browse the web un-supervised.

        There are parental tools to restrict your child’s internet access, those should be applied by the parent.

        Not every citizen should be under surveillance by the government under the rouse that they’ll protect your kids, which they won’t.

        The real goal here is to detect people who go against the government and block them. While kids & criminals slip through the cracks by finding sketchy un-surveilled sites and messaging channels.

        And if you really think your government gives a damn about your kids safety, then I urge you to look in the epstein ph/f-iles

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      • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I don’t give a flying fuck about your kids or your inability to parent your fucking children.

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      • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Why would you not just want social media to be better regulated by the law? You can’t seriously believe that your children are going to have no access to social media, even with an age ban, unless you intend to lock them in a room and home school them till they’re 18.

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      • fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That’s propaganda

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      • FarceOfWill@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Dont worry theyll get plenty of poison after the ban too from roblox chat

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      • Mannimarco@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sound like a you problem

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    • Greg@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Governments already have access to your data and can easily link you to your social media accounts

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      • SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is a rather defeatist take. It’s also wrong.

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  • Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Whenever this comes up, it feels like a play to harvest people’s data and / or to slip additional laws into place under the guise of “protect the children”.

    On one hand I don’t think it’s terrible to try to guide kids more. I think parents should be doing more parenting tbh.

    On the other I think it runs the risk of preventing kids from accessing information online, finding safe spaces online, and isolating kids more than they already can be. It also limits things like teaching kids about technology and how to use it safely.

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    • vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      finding safe spaces online

      What do you mean by this? How can an online space be safe for a child?

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      • Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        First I think it depends on what we are considering kids. I was online from age 8 but didn’t get into online games or communities until about 10. But in the case of the law, they’re often saying anything below 16 or 18 etc. It depends on the country/jurisdiction.

        There are lots of places kids can find community. When i was a kid I was playing on neopets, club penguin, old school runescape, guild wars. I made friends with people from all over the place. One of my best friends in my youth is from across the continent, and we have been friends for 20 years now.

        I think the bottom line is parents should parent. When I was a kid the PC was in the main room. My parents spoke to me frequently about staying safe online and asked me about what I was doing on the PC. They made sure I was only accessing kid appropriate sites and that I wasn’t getting myself into trouble.

        Could I have gotten in trouble? Yeah possibly. I also could have gotten kidnapped at the local park

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      • Carrot@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The old canned chat Club Penguin was a safe space for kids on the internet in my youth. Sure, you could have snowballs thrown at you, but since there were canned-chat-only servers, it was a safe space to hang out and make friends, despite not getting to know them very deeply.

        I think it was a pretty solid approach to teaching children how to interact with the internet

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      • fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Why can’t they be?

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  • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If headlines were honest: France seeks to prohibit early teenagers from social interaction with peers unless they are good at doing it offline.

    If I hadn’t had the Internet in the years before my 15th birthday, this would in my retrospective opinion have amounted to near torture.

    Can we finally get politicians who grew up with the Internet into power? How many more years must people the age of Macron be allowed to make these kinds of decisions? 😟😡

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    • fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I would have died. This is enforced social isolation. We have to help trend circumvent these laws

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  • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wouldn’t this just wind up being a de facto ban on the platform we’re using right now? How could Lemmy implement an age verification system? If social media platforms that dont comply with age verification are banned, then by default there goes the fediverse for the most past lol.

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    • tal@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How could Lemmy implement an age verification system?

      I don’t think that it would matter much. Assuming that the legislation applies to the Threadiverse and doesn’t have some sort of exception, it’d still be effectively unenforceable, because most instances don’t operate in France’s legal jurisdiction.

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    • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Odds are someone would make an open source service that does the age verification that server owners could setup easily, that is, if the verification is done using franceconnect or some Zero Knowledge Proof service.

      If it’s ID verfication then it would be awful.

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  • menas@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Classical bingo to authoritarism

    It’s only to protect children It’s only to protect against terrorism It’s only to protect against rapist It’s only to protect against murders It’s only to protect against deterioration oups, it’s everyone except the upper class

    This is how personal data bills and fingerprint/adn collect bills have evolved

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    • Nomorereddit@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We did the same thing w cigarettes you nobody, and to cocaine in coca cola.

      Kids brains aren’t developed yet, give them a chance.

      Social media is bad for kids because it amplifies social comparison and algorithm-driven validation, which can undermine self-esteem and mental health during critical stages of brain development. It also displaces real-world socialization and sleep while exposing kids to content and pressures they’re not developmentally equipped to process.

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      • menas@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yep. And it will be use for mass repression

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    • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not every prohibition is bad.

      There is a reason why we don’t let kids under 18 make porn, for example, or are you saying that that too is authoritarianism?

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      • menas@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Not every prohibition is bad.

        Nobody said such things. I underline how the current state of surveillance has been allowed with this fallacious argument.

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  • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    France seeks to ID everyone using social media.

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    • silentdon@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I am fine with children not having access to social media but not at the cost of my privacy. If they could implement it without requiring me to submitted any identifying info just to watch some reels, then I’d be all for it.

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  • cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is the outcome when you continue voting the same old blokes into power

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  • Nomorereddit@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Do it, save the youth.

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    • Canconda@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yea like as much as I’m concerned about government control etc… Social media is actively doing irreversible harm and needs to be treated like digital cocaine it is.

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