NOT HOW IT WORKS
Look at this. Or don't.
Submitted 1 day ago by erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works to science_memes@mander.xyz
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kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
semisimian@startrek.website 1 day ago
Rage bait, maybe. But I chuckled, and that is good enough for me.
200ok@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I AGREE WITH YOU!
For anyone wondering what all the yelling is about: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 18 hours ago
A notable example of the observer effect occurs in quantum mechanics, as demonstrated by the double-slit experiment. Physicists have found that observation of quantum phenomena by a detector or an instrument can change the measured results of this experiment. Despite the “observer effect” in the double-slit experiment being caused by the presence of an electronic detector, the experiment’s results have been interpreted by some to suggest that a conscious mind can directly affect reality.[3] However, the need for the “observer” to be conscious is not supported by scientific research, and has been pointed out as a misconception rooted in a poor understanding of the quantum wave function ψ and the quantum measurement process.[4][5][6]
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ve been reading about this for over a decade and I still don’t understand it
AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
oh boy, here I go banging this drum again:
When physicists say “observe”, they actually mean “measure”. And to measure a photon of light, you have to interact with it somehow, there is no passive way to do so.
The post’s header image implies that the interference pattern goes away just by looking at it. If that were the case, we would never see the interference pattern, never know it was there in the first place! In the actual experiment, they put a sensor at one or both of the slits. But to “sense” a single photon, you have to interact with it in some way. Otherwise you wouldn’t know it was there.
Again, this is where the language trips us up. Rather than “sensor”, would really be more accurate to say they put a photon-touch-er at the slits.
So, what we actually get is “Touching the photon changes the photon’s behavior.” The universe doesn’t magically infer when we happen to be looking at it, there is no spooky action-at-a-distance!
bilouba@jlai.lu 16 hours ago
Sorry but you are wrong. This is how I understood it too, but this is way weirder. Look into quantum eraser or polarization experiment. Information cause the wave collapse. You can use another set of polarization at 45° to activate the interference pattern again. It goes beyond physical perturbation and it has been demonstrated by experiment. I’m not a scientist and this is fairly new information to me so I can’t explain it to you very clearly I’m sorry, but trust the science, things get weird at the quantum scale. Intuition doesn’t work at this level.
474D@lemmy.world 1 day ago
But then what is the significance of this experiment? Why is it so popular if it’s that simple and why is it usually associated with quantum physics?
Iunnrais@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I’ve asked this of a physicist friend of mine, and he insisted there wasn’t actually photon touching being involved. I honestly didn’t understand his explanation fully though. Photon touching makes sense to me. Whatever he said was much more confusing… yet he gets grant money to actually study lasers and put out research papers, and I don’t, so…
anon@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
So what’s surprising about the experiment?
Of course, when you interact with things they change
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Thank you:)
theneverfox@pawb.social 13 hours ago
Think of it like this…a photon is both a wave, and the smallest discrete unit of energy
When the wave is absorbed by something, the energy must be transferred. But the smallest unit of energy is the full photon, and so the full amount of energy of the wave is absorbed at a single point, because there’s no such thing as partial photons
Or in other words, the wave doesn’t turn into a particle, the energy gets spent at a single point in space
Really, I think all of quantum physics works like this. Electrons don’t exist as a point in space, they exist in an area. They’re fields, they’re not necessarily moving fast, which is why atoms don’t randomly slip through each other and we can’t measure all the properties of it at once
oppy1984@lemdro.id 12 hours ago
It’s simple, just look at the picture and…God damn it.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 15 hours ago
The thing that made it click for me is to realise that particles and waves don’t really exist — they’re just terms we use to try to understand the world. When we see weird quantum shit happening, it’s not actually weird in and of itself, we’re just finding that our reductionist (but often useful) models are breaking down and we can’t straightforwardly say “that’s a particle” or “that’s a wave”.
I think of it as analogous to statistical averages. If I have a group of 100 people for whom I know the average height (and other summary statistics). Thinking of them in terms of the group is like treating them as a wave. They don’t have a precisely defined position (because they’re a diffuse blob of people), and although I know their average height, it’s clouded by uncertainty. When we do statistics on a group of people, it’s almost as if the individuals cease to exist. If all you have are the summary statistics from the group, you can’t know the heights of any individuals within the crowd.
I can “zoom in” and pluck a person from the crowd and measure their height, then that’s sort of like wave function collapse. Now I can precisely define the position of this person, because they’re just one person — if someone says “which person are you talking about?”, I can point to them and say “this one here”. However, I don’t know anything about their surrounding context — whether they’re taller or shorter than average. They’re basically a particle.
The key to this is how “zooming in” on an individual person gives us a fundamentally different perspective to the zoomed out view of the crowd.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Maybe the whole wave function/pattern deal is like how British people are just naturally good at forming lines, even if there isn’t a sign indicating to do so.
Amir@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
I don’t think anyone figured out the “why” for wave-function collapse yet, the Copenhagen interpretation is obviously flawed. PBS had a good video about it a few months ago, but if you don’t get it, that’s not weird since the leading theories for WFC are all inelegant.
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Many worlds works just fine, but “eeeew”, so 🤷♂️
Zerush@lemmy.ml 53 minutes ago
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