Submitted 1 year ago by balderdash9@lemmy.zip to [deleted]
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God, just today someone was telling me that definitions were “facts”, and that staying “LGBTQ” was “changing the meaning of the alphabet” somehow.
They were celebrating a bunch of women not being able to attend a job fair, but then started telling me that they were “protecting women”
Sounds like a troll… I hope…
Seems like debate and people changing their minds when presented with new information is something that died around 9/11, if it ever even existed. Even the most mild vocal disagreement just further entrenches people in their feelings.
As an old person, can confirm it never existed. People have always been like this.
As a junior middle aged (40yo) person, I can confirm with the caveat that the number of things that are considered common sense rather than completely subjective matters of opinion has change a shitload since the turn of the millennium l, with 9/11 being one of the major catalysts.
When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, outlandish conspiracy theories were rightly considered fringe lunacy and being a nazi or any other kind of fascist was a shameful thing that you had to hide to be accepted, not a resurgent movement across most North America and Europe.
Just to name two of the worst examples of thousands of ways that discourse has worsened since the “good old days” when other things were much worse.
Everyone thinks it’s the other person that needs to change their mind when presented with the new information. Both sides feel like they are right and the other side is stupid for not understanding.
It happens, it just never comes to a satisfying synthesis. I changed my opinion a few times after one of those big 25 reply arguments, though I never admitted to it in the moment.
It’s always been a thing to not really want to admit you’re wrong. Half of debate is just realizing you’re not ever going to change your opponent’s mind real-time. Ego gets in the way way too hard, particularly on a public platform. Debating on a public platform is more to try to convince people in the audience that are more moderate.
Sometimes, your good argument can also actually change the other person’s mind, even slightly, but you’ll probably never SEE it. That doesn’t mean it’s pointless, just that if you’re expecting to get something out of the act of debating, it has to be something other than changing your oppo mind.
I’m usually both after about 9pm.
Of what timezone?
Probably their timezone, duh.
…that’s the joke.
They gotta be more specific
Bigot as well.
Anyone who does not understand what I am saying = Idiot.
Anyone who disagrees with what I am saying = Troll
It’s more than just disagreement. It’s disagreement in defiance of logic and reason. Bad faith actors.
Anyone who does not understand or agree with what I’m saying = idiot
Anyone who understands or agrees with my opinion but pretends not to in order to get a rise = troll
At least it’s not “faggot” or “retard” anymore.
I don’t see a point of constantly shifting the words. It’s the meaning that matters. I’ve heard people use “mentally challenged” the same way people used idiot and retard. Now if I look up “mentally challenged” it’s directing me to “Intellectual disability”, which still means in the same thing, so it’s only a matter of time before people start using that and the words have to change again. It all seems so pointless. No one likes being called an idiot, but it’s there will always be a word to cover that meaning. We might as well just use the words we had.
Sometimes you can hit the stage where either person admits they’re wrong.
It only requires an analytic philosophy PHD- Level essay.
I have a dick and i am happy about it
Good for you ig
Any political idea that differs from someone else’s seems to get you these labels. They really don’t like it when you straight up tell them you are not going to continue the dialogue and call you one of these two things to get the last word.
QuestioningEspecialy@kbin.social 1 year ago
Don't forget "14 years old".
NakariLexfortaine@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That’s the little line between.