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• Fondots@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Personally, I’d prefer if games and such would use universal face button glyphs on-screen.

  I’ve switched back and forth between Xbox, Nintendo, and PlayStation controllers so much that I really don’t have a mental map of which button is which, and in game I’m usually not looking at my controller to be able to tell.

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Press the X button.

    Wait am I playing PlayStation or Xbox or Nintendo.

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    • BigPotato@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s weird but they are all different. I’ve never had an issue where I see an Xbox X and hit the PS X. Normally if a game wants X(PS Flavour) the X itself is blue, potentially with a black circle around it. If a game shows you an X(Xbox Flavour) it shows a blue circle with a different blue X inside. Nintendo generally just shows a top button glyph or if they do show the X it’s usually monochrome, except for Americana flavoured SNES which was just top purple and since GC had the vertical kidney bean X… Well, Nintendo only recently became a problem I suppose.

      So, basically, the in-game glyphs do differentiate themselves.

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  • sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    At least playstation uses a visually distinct set of symbols so you can’t confuse them with the other two. I think it’s really annoying that Xbox and Nintendo both use ABXY, but swapped for some reason. I grew up with Nintendo, so that layout makes “more sense” to me than the unfamiliar Xbox layout, but yeah, I would prefer either a universal layout (maybe neither ABXY or the shapes, perhaps something different that everyone could agree on? Because if you chose the Xbox layout, fans of the Nintendo layout would get mad and vice versa)

    What should that universal layout be though? Maybe the cardinal directions, ESNW? Or perhaps something unique like IJKL? Or maybe the starting letters of colours (RGBA? Transparent button would be cool. CMYK? Printer ink buttons!) Or perhaps not letters, maybe symbols? Like mountain (jagged teeth), sea (wavy line), wind (swirly line), and stone (filled in circle)? Or punch, kick, special move (maybe energy blast), and different special move (maybe healing)?

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    • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      What should that universal layout be though?

      Just a picture of 3 of the 4 buttons with one highlighted (e.g. left/right with bottom highlighted) would be simple enough.

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    • MurrayL@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I always assumed Nintendo’s buttons are that way round because Japanese is read right-to-left.

      You’ve got to admit it’s pretty funny that we’ve whittled the field down to three console manufacturers and they all put the ‘X’ button in a different place.

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• oeightsix@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Why do it in hardware when you can do in software without re-engineering the buttons? Hardware engineering is trickier, so there's fewer options.

  Xbox Elite controller has full button remapping for example. Won't cover every platform, but it'll do a fair few.

  I like its monochrome buttons to save the need for visually remapping. Same with the Switch, where they need to be, since joycons can be held in several orientations.

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• TabbsTheBat@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You know, I’ve not thought about that specific feature, but I have noticed that 3rd party controllers, even the ones that charge “pro” controller prices, rarely offer more features than a base first party controller, and sometimes even have missing features

  It’s a rather strange phenomenon which caused me to not upgrade from my beat up dualshock 4 lol

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  • JustARaccoon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’ve had the complete opposite experience. So many third party controllers offer hall effect joysticks, macros, back pedals, options for linear or button triggers, etc at a much lower cost than first party controllers. The only thing they’re missing is the dual sense motors but that’s proprietary.

    I recommend checking out the 8bitdo controllers linked in the article, and the FANTECH WGP14-V2 which you can find on AliExpress.

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    • sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      wait, linked in what article? I don’t think I linked an article.

      Yeah, 8BitDo, GameSir, etc. have a bunch of good controllers for a very good price, they have feature-rich sub $60 and $70 models like the Cyclone 2, Ultimate 2, and Supernova, as well as a few really good sub $30 models like the Ultimate 2C and Nova 2 Lite. HE /TMR sticks, HE triggers, trigger locks, signal extender charging docks, a bunch of extra remappable buttons, fun colours (esp. the 8BitDo models) while being cheaper than the first party options. You can’t beat the PS haptics though, they are really nice.

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    • TabbsTheBat@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      As far as I saw from 8bitdo none of them have a touchbar which is a deal breaker for me. The fantech one seems to not be missing any inputs at least, but also all it offers in addition is 2 paddles… and I guess hall effect, which I don’t particularly care about. So… it’s just 2 extra inputs, which I guess is fine ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ I’d rather have something from a brand I’ve heard from not something from aliexpress tho x3

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  • sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What third party controllers do offer is value (you can get some amazing budget controllers these days) as well as hall effect sticks and triggers (some newer models have TMR sticks, which apparently use lower power) meaning no stick drift and it will last longer.

    Speaking of the DS4, I still have one, and I spray-painted it and I think it looks pretty cool! It’s a mix of spray paint (on the body, d-pad, and triggers), 3D printed face buttons, and cheap plastic I bought for that tiny little PS button. Makes it look more unique, but I forgot to tape the electronics and think I snapped one of the ribbon cables, so wireless is borked. I works fine wired though, so it’s all good.

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    • TabbsTheBat@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      When I was looking for replacement controllers the best I found was basically ones that have the same as what the ds4 already offers, or maybe an addition of paddles for more than the price of a dualsense pro lol

      If I buy a controller now I’d like it to be something like those steam controller 2 leaks we had a while back honestly, a 2nd touchpad, touch capacitive sticks, and paddles (plus keeping gyro, cause for some reason many controllers don’t have that still lol)… that’d be enough additional buttons for me to consider upgrading

      Which is to say hopefully valve time is quicker than the breaking down of my ds4… (if it was SC3 it’d never come so at least it’s only 2 /j)

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      You can see how shredded my left stick is at this point lol. It’s basically hard plastic. Though I had this controller for… 9 or 8 years?

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• dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What I’m much more salty about is that controller manufacturers all seem to go out of their way to actively prevent you from just taking the controller apart and rearranging the face buttons as you see fit, usually by way of keying them with little fins around their sides when otherwise there would be nothing to prevent you from doing so. My Gamesir T4 Mini is this way and it’s infuriating, because even if you have Steam Input set to Switch controller mode, or whatever, half of your games inevitably give you the button prompt for that position on an Xbox controller anyway, and the other half respect the positions of the Nintendo style layout and you never know which is which until it’s too late. For PC gaming I’d much rather just reorganize the thing into the XBox layout which seems to be the most compatible default for games and leave it that way.

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• CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Cost and not giving a fuck.

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• SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The Xbox layaout should be the standard. Nintendo changes their controllers drastically every generation, so they have no standard, and even on the GameCube, A was the “default” button. The Xbox controller hasn’t changed the four main buttons in 24 years, and PC followed suit. It’s already the standard, and anyone who would be bothered by a set standard only hurts unification, and will get over it eventually.

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  • sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Well many prefer the Nintendo layout and are used to it, esp. for Nintendo games.

    Interestingly, after a bit of searching, it looks like the Nintendo layout came first, but due to a patent or something, SEGA and later Xbox would swap the ABXY buttons. Not saying that either layout should be the “standard” though. Both should ideally coexist (and that includes the PS layout. You can’t really complain about the PS layout changing all the time, it’s basically the same since the original PS)

    Also, what do you mean by A being the “default button”? Do you mean that A is for doing most of the interacting (e.g. dialogue, next, OK) or something like that? Because A does that in both Xbox layout (where you interact with the bottom button) and Nintendo layout (where you instead do that with the right button, at least on “standard” controllers. The GameCube controller kind of did its own thing)

    Interestingly, it seems that some PS games interact with X and others interact with O. Apparently this is because in Japan, “O” means correct and “X” means wrong, while this significance of “O” doesn’t exist in the US and Europe, so “X” is accept because that’s where the thumb usually rests. Cool!

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    • SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I appreciate the consistency of the PA controller, but I can not for the life of me remember which side is square and circle. Been fuckin me up since 2002

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• MurrayL@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Probably because it adds functional & mechanical complexity (and therefore cost) for a feature most people don’t need.

  Are you really looking down at the buttons often enough that it would actually make a difference?

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  • sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I mean this feature is available on a sub $60 controller, and many controllers are over double that. You could make the argument that a screen in a controller adds loads of complexity and most people don’t need it, but it exists, because it’s useful to some people (but certainly not all people).

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• over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Coming from a PC game controller modder, I don’t understand the question. Is there no software mapping of the controls?

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  • sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, you could software map them, but it feels kind of weird that there’s so few that let you physically swap the buttons

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• sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  HANG ON, WAIT I found a fourth one.

  The Nyxi Flexi is another controller with a swappable ABXY layout, and not just that, you can also swap between asymmetric and symmetric stick layout! Very cool.

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• tangycitrus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I have (had?) a similar problem with my 8bitdo Pro 2 controller. I wanted to swap the buttons, took it apart and found out that there are grooves on the buttons so they wont fit the right way up when swapped. I think the grooves keep the buttons from rotating but they could have done it in a way that the buttons can still be swapped the right way up. Possibly its done so they can sell first party buttons with X Box layout? Over time I was able to simply swap the buttons in my mind so I know where the buttons are depending on the platform I’m playing without actually having to look down at the controller. But I’m with you on this one.

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• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Just use Steam Input

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• Whostosay@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’ve got just the thing for ya. Gulikit kk3 Max

  That said, spread the word.

  Release the Trump/Epstein files

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  • sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    interesting, there’s a fifth one! Replaceable button caps means you can probably change the layout of it, unless they have some stupid notch or something to stop you from doing that (hopefully not though)

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    • Whostosay@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You mean on the controller I linked? If so, I own two and have gifted two others. They have replaceable caps that can be hot swapped and have a very similar interface to mech keyboards.

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• 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think I’ve seen software swaps for the actual presses in most situations where I’d be able to.

  I think the only time I consider doing something is when I’m playing a Nintendo game on non Nintendo hardware, so my MiSTer or on retroarch and both support swapping Nintendo to western style. If I’m holding a Nintendo controller, muscle memory makes it not really a problem for me at least

  If you mean the actual physical buttons, I’d just say blank buttons are better than labelled ones in general, most popular controllers have blank mods that are pretty easy to do if you have a screwdriver with the appropriate bit.

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• Diddlydee@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Why would you physically switch the buttons when you can just set up their layout in the menu in each console? It doesn’t matter if a button is red or blue, X or Y. Only the position matters.

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  • sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There’s certainly a market for physically swappable buttons, otherwise why would the 8BitDo Pro 3 release with that feature (and advertise it), or the Supernova and the Tarantula Pro. It is definitely a desired feature for some, and I think it’s a bit odd that very few controllers have it, especially given some controllers have very niche (but still useful to some) features (see the numerous controllers with screens, Turtle Beach Stealth Pivot that lets you swap to d-pad centric layout, etc.).

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    • JustARaccoon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s probably just more costly on the manufacturing side. More molds, more pieces to work with, modular structure etc etc. I also think it’s not as impactful, not sure about you but I’ve developed enough muscle memory to not even look at the front facing buttons, as long as I have Xbox button layouts in games, even with playstation controllers lol

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    • Diddlydee@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m still at a yotal loss as to the purpose.

      The button positions never move, only the letters or colours. You don’t look at your hands when you’re playing, so I don’t get why you’d need to swap buttons at all, outside of a game menu.

      If you’re used to blue being left or X being bottom or whatever, do that in the menu. Your thumbs can’t see the buttons so it makes no difference. You have bought a controller to do what a menu does for free at the click of a button (a button that means whatever you assign it to mean).

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