I think the cranium size was the biggest “miss” in the design - I quite liked the season two iteration of the same basic ideas.
Neville Page Says ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Season 1 Klingons Were “A Salty Broth”
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ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
… the removal of the hair, having done hairless Klingons with J.J.’s films. So I’d personally already gone through the Internet backlash, and so when Bryan said, ‘Yeah, we’re going to do bald Klingons, like it’s gonna be tricky, man.’ And so everyone was salting the broth.
Sometimes you just gotta keep making the same mistake until you learn. At least this guy is humble and practical about it.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
I always kind of liked the Kelvin Klingons.
Well, the makeup, anyway. I don’t care for the costumes at all.
nagaram@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
I completely forgot about the Kelvin Klingons.
I had to Google it. They’re not bad. I think there’s some fun to be had with the idea of their weird virus that messed with their ridges.
Like disco Klingons are the original pre-virus Klingon, ToS and Kelvin are some of the variants we get during the virus, and TNG is the Post virus
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
I really liked the addition to canon that the Kligon Empire is experiencing the tail and of a very long fall from grace. It explains a lot about how such a violent fuedal society could have science on par with the Federation.
I didn’t like just about everything else Discovery Klingon’s screen time. They were just so wearying to watch. They felt like some exhausting loud neighbors I have had.
GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
What’s done is done. What I’d simply like to know is the why. Maybe it’s in this article somewhere, but I gave up halfway. Probably just too sleepy atm. Someday I’ll read a source that gives a sensible why. Because what I’ve heard never really made sense. Why keep so much intact and change one thing so drastically?
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
It’s not in the article, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen an “official” answer, but…I do think “because we can” is a valid answer. It was valid when they did it with TMP, and it was valid the subsequent times they tweaked the makeup.
In terms of how it served the story being told…I can see the appeal of having more alien-looking, “scarier” Klingons in a season that was ultimately about the dangers of xenophobia.
GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Makes perfect sense. But why now invent a whole new alien? Why modify an existing piece of canon (again)?
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
Except blue isn’t scary anymore after the Andorians. I can only fathom that they thought brown Klingons look like black Klingons and people will think that’s racist.
Oh how I wish people stopped separating humans in races and just stopped thinking in races and colors at all.
“There is only one race: the human race” - Robert Sobukwe, South African anti-apartheid activist
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I kept waiting for a eugenics storyline where the Federation tries to make Klingons more human and turns them into TOS Klingons, thereby completing the narrative justification circle.
Instead…
GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I was honestly thinking/waiting for the same explanation. Haha.
roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
If I remember correctly that’s kind of what happened. The Klingons used augment genes from Earth’s eugenics wars (the ones used to make Khan and others) to try and create their own augmented Klingons. It went wrong and the result was human looking Klingons and it somehow became a transmissible virus. That’s where the TOS looking looking ones came from. All of this is retcon of course.
HubertManne@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
Much of discovery season one would have sat better with me if it had just taken place after voyager.
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
That could have been quite interesting, actually
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
I don’t get why producers see prequels as a safe haven, they nearly always end up trashing decades-old canon, instead of adding to it.
Enterprise was one of the exceptions, it fit nicely with established canon, and added to it gracefully.
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
You mean the Skittles Klingons?
Solumbran@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The weird ultra-racist stereotypes that sounded like they were designed by a colony-supporter of another era?
I wouldn’t call it a salty broth but a big racist piece of shit.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
Wut?
Solumbran@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Clothes very similar to the stereotypical “african clothes”, they have dark skin and it is a core part of their identity, they got the actor of Tyler as a way to have an “exotic” accent, they also made them cannibals, with weird voodoo religious rituals with suggested (even if not so simple) rape, and if I’m not mistaken they commit terrorist suicide attacks as well.
They feel like a concentrated mix of the racist ideas gathered over the past 200 years, and are used to show that they are scary. Or to make it more obvious, they are shown like “exotic brown people who hate the white ones, and just want to eat them, rape them, and suicide on them to mass murder civilians to instill fear”.
I’m not the only one who noticed that but I really can’t understand how anyone can not see it.
cygnus@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
“Discovery”? Never heard of it.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It didn’t have to be all or nothing. A few bald Klingons in the mix with long-haired guy would have been fine. The head ridges and tweaking of the design was cool, it was just too much. And then the camera flips upside down while spinning around the room. Michael whisper-yells something.
wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
The klingons weren’t the problem with Discovery.
Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
That's one way to say there were shit.
Kirk@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
This is my not-safe-for-Reddit opinion but I thought the S1 Klingons were great, interesting and impressive.