Neville Page Says ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Season 1 Klingons Were “A Salty Broth”

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• GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What’s done is done. What I’d simply like to know is the why. Maybe it’s in this article somewhere, but I gave up halfway. Probably just too sleepy atm. Someday I’ll read a source that gives a sensible why. Because what I’ve heard never really made sense. Why keep so much intact and change one thing so drastically?

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  • ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s not in the article, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen an “official” answer, but…I do think “because we can” is a valid answer. It was valid when they did it with TMP, and it was valid the subsequent times they tweaked the makeup.

    In terms of how it served the story being told…I can see the appeal of having more alien-looking, “scarier” Klingons in a season that was ultimately about the dangers of xenophobia.

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    • GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Makes perfect sense. But why now invent a whole new alien? Why modify an existing piece of canon (again)?

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    • TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Except blue isn’t scary anymore after the Andorians. I can only fathom that they thought brown Klingons look like black Klingons and people will think that’s racist.

      Oh how I wish people stopped separating humans in races and just stopped thinking in races and colors at all.

      “There is only one race: the human race” - Robert Sobukwe, South African anti-apartheid activist

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  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I kept waiting for a eugenics storyline where the Federation tries to make Klingons more human and turns them into TOS Klingons, thereby completing the narrative justification circle.

    Instead…

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    • GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I was honestly thinking/waiting for the same explanation. Haha.

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• Kirk@startrek.website ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This is my not-safe-for-Reddit opinion but I thought the S1 Klingons were great, interesting and impressive.

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• pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I really liked the addition to canon that the Kligon Empire is experiencing the tail and of a very long fall from grace. It explains a lot about how such a violent fuedal society could have science on par with the Federation.

  I didn’t like just about everything else Discovery Klingon’s screen time. They were just so wearying to watch. They felt like some exhausting loud neighbors I have had.

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• ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think the cranium size was the biggest “miss” in the design - I quite liked the season two iteration of the same basic ideas.

  A pair of Klingons as seen in “Point of Light”

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• MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  … the removal of the hair, having done hairless Klingons with J.J.’s films. So I’d personally already gone through the Internet backlash, and so when Bryan said, ‘Yeah, we’re going to do bald Klingons, like it’s gonna be tricky, man.’ And so everyone was salting the broth.

  Sometimes you just gotta keep making the same mistake until you learn. At least this guy is humble and practical about it.

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  • ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I always kind of liked the Kelvin Klingons.

    Well, the makeup, anyway. I don’t care for the costumes at all.

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• HubertManne@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Much of discovery season one would have sat better with me if it had just taken place after voyager.

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  • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That could have been quite interesting, actually

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    • TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t get why producers see prequels as a safe haven, they nearly always end up trashing decades-old canon, instead of adding to it.

      Enterprise was one of the exceptions, it fit nicely with established canon, and added to it gracefully.

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• Reddfugee42@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You mean the Skittles Klingons?

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• Solumbran@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The weird ultra-racist stereotypes that sounded like they were designed by a colony-supporter of another era?

  I wouldn’t call it a salty broth but a big racist piece of shit.

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  • ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Wut?

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    • Geetnerd@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Agreed… wut?

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• wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The klingons weren’t the problem with Discovery.

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• cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  “Discovery”? Never heard of it.

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• Tim_Bisley@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That's one way to say there were shit.

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