Submitted 2 weeks ago by General_Effort@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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*Textbook economic collapse.
Literally exactly what all economic textbooks say would happen if you did what he did.
Which is why I think it was all on purpose. They are driving the market up and down predictably. Stocks keep surging every time there is a “leaked” rumor that he will pause tariffs.
literally pump-and-dumping the stock market
the grift that keeps on grifting…
a small number of wealthy Americans riled up a large number of poor Americans, using single-issue voter tactics that prey on irrational fears, and gained control of more wealth and decision-making power than they know what to do with.
I can’t fathom what the point is, other than some doomsday scheme, where they plot to outlive us poors with hoarded resources, and the remaining bootlicker class as slaves.
I think Trump himself just likes to be in the spotlight and also evade prison.
As for his backers, they want the collapse of the US (and nation states in general) to found company town-esque technocratic city states.
Which is why I think it was all on purpose.
Occam/Hanlon’s razor: it’s stupidity with opportunistic grift.
Project 2025 had pro- & anti-tariff proposals (they were split on the issue of fair vs free trade & argued both). This administration is running wild with the pro-tariff proposal, which ties tariff imbalances to trade deficits (seen this theme before?).
While the fair trade camp argued higher tariffs would somehow create jobs, the free trade camp called for realism & skepticism
trade policy has limited capabilities and is vulnerable to mission creep and regulatory capture
will fail for the same reason that a hammer cannot turn a screw: It is the wrong tool for the job. Conservatives should be similarly skeptical of recent attempts on the Right to use progressive trade policy to punish political opponents, remake manufacturing, or accomplish other objectives for which it is not suited. The next Administration needs to end the mission creep that has all but taken over trade policy in recent years.
countered that no trade policy (fair or free) creates jobs
Neither free trade nor protectionism will create jobs. Trade affects the types of jobs people have, but it has no long-run effect on the number of jobs. Labor force size is tied to population size more than anything else.
and argues more inline with textbook economics about trade, comparative advantage, specialization.
Interestingly, the free trade camp gave a brief history lesson about the interconnectedness of the economy from its agrarian beginnings
In 1776, nearly 90 percent of Americans were farmers. For 10 people to eat, nine had to farm. That meant fewer people could be factory workers, doctors, or teachers, or even live in cities, because they were needed on the farm. Accordingly, life expectancy was around 40 years, and literacy was 13 percent.
through the loss of jobs from agriculture to industry increasing the output of both
Many displaced farm laborers got jobs making the very farm equipment that made intensive agricultural growth possible, from railroad networks to cotton gins. Each fed the other. Agriculture and industry are not separate; they are as interconnected as everything else in the economy. None of this could have happened had the government enacted policies to preserve full agricultural employment.
to argue that jobs in a particular sector are the wrong measure of value
economic policy should treat value as value, whether it is created on a farm, in a factory, or in an office. A dollar of value created in manufacturing is neither more nor less valuable than a dollar of value created in agriculture or services.
growth increased as service sector surpassed manufacturing
Farmers’ share of the population continued to decline through this entire period, yet employment remained high, and the economy continued to grow. Factories were not the only beneficiaries of agriculture’s productivity boom and the labor it freed; services also grew. In fact, service-sector employment surpassed manufacturing employment around 1890—far earlier than most people realize.
economic decline based on manufacturing is a myth that disregards the big picture
In trade, as in most other areas, few people ever zoom out to see the big picture, which is one reason why so many people mistakenly believe that U.S. manufacturing and the U.S. economy are in decline.
trade leads to specialization that affects the types of jobs, not long-term employment level
The data do not show American economic carnage. They show more than two centuries of intensive growth, made possible by a growing internal market throughout the 19th century and a growing international market in the post–World War II era. The transition from farm to factory did not shrink the labor force or farm output. Later, the transition from factories to services did not shrink the labor force, factory output, or farm output. Both transitions affected the types of jobs, not the number of jobs.
declining tariffs in the post-war era made this continued prosperity possible
population growth, the U.S.-led rules-based international trading system, and the steady 75-year decline in tariffs after World War II have made possible decades of continued prosperity
That position was too nuanced for this administration.
Excellent writeup. Thank you.
St. Upid’s three miracles were creating tariffs, eliminating tariffs, and begging China to relieve him of the consequences of his tariffs.
I’m a bit rusty on the rules but before becoming a saint, don’t you first have to die?
In that case I’m all for Trump being sainted.
Sooner rather than later would be nice.
Saint Donald - Patron Saint of fraud, con artists, village idiots, and golden showers.
Yes, but you’ve forgotten far worse things such as:
The selling of documents to hostile countries.
The alleged ‘wink wink’ Epstein island kiddie fiddling.
And the adjudicated rape stuff.
Though, in your defense, there’s so many abhorrent things he’s done that it’s easy to forget most of them!!
Right, I thought it best to keep with things he can standout as the face of. Like, there are stronger contenders for the patron of pedophilia, and some of them are already ordained.
I saw a quote in the newspaper this morning:
We were losing hundreds of billions of dollars with China now we’re essentially not doing business with China. Therefore, we’re saving hundreds of billions of dollars. Very simple.
It’s just so incredibly wrong and stupid.
I still can’t get over that his policies are the result of what he watches on TV. I’m not talking about his watching the Sunday morning political shows. I’m talking fictional movies in prime time that result in new US policies.
At 9pm on Saturday WLRN aired “Escape from Alcatraz”. On Sunday another Trump policy was announced: he was re-opening Alcatraz prison.
This is at least the second time that people have figured out what Trump was watching on TV to cause him to issue a new crazy edict.
I…I did not know this has been a thing twice now. Jesus we are so fucked…
This is his name, for me, from now on.
Everything has an opposite in religion. God and the devil, angels and demons, etc. What is the opposite of a saint? That is what Trump is. He is a miraculous disaster. He ruins what others can’t.
What is the opposite of a saint?
Sinner, broadly speaking. A heretic or demoniac or, in extreme cases, an antichrist would maybe qualify.
But the church doesn’t make a big ceremony of cataloging and cannonizing the bad guys. You don’t have priests running around looking for whatever the inverse of a miracle is in order to verify this or that individual was supernaturally evil. The closest might be the documentation of the subjects of exorcisms.
He ruins what others can’t.
The dogged insistence that Trump is a uniquely bad person (much less president) heavily neglects the long history of shit political leadership in this country’s history. If anything, one could argue that Trump isn’t an anomaly. The Post-FDR Era has been the anomaly. We’ve had an unusually good (relatively speaking) run of Presidents and now we’re drifting back to the 19th century Tyler / Pierce / Buchanan / Johnson / Cleveland mean.
Americans had an unusually good run of luck following the Great Depression. And it propelled us into the Superpower sphere of influence. Now our luck has run out and we’re plummeting back down to the baseline. Trump’s a symptom and a vehicle of that decline. But he’s got tens of thousands of fellow-travelers who have rallied behind him to drag the country down. We have an entire economic orthodoxy centered around the theory that Americans have had it too good for too long and they need to start living like their poverty-wracked Latin America / East Asia / Central Africa peers.
I like how he resembles both Trump and Putin
I wouldn’t mind Trump becoming a saint tomorrow.
St. Upid I was born and raised as a Catholic, did my time in Catholic school until I graduated high school. Too many years later (more than I care to admit) and several different beliefs later I still automatically don’t see the abbreviation and see the “Saint” instead. It was ingrained in my damn DNA.
I was like… Saint Upid? huh? Then it hit me and I almost busted a gut laughing so hard.
This but the hands displaying “how big it was”
charonn0@startrek.website 2 weeks ago
The hands are too big.