why do transphobes mention pedophiles/compare them to pedophiles when most trans people (as do most people) hate pedophiles?

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• Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  projection, they are most likely pedophiles themselves, or pedos in the closet that hadnt SA a child yet. Also seen this with people bragging that they know a pedo.

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  • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    yes that’s the spirit

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• otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  FWIW, this was the same thing that homophobes were doing to gay people.

  It’s not based in evidence or logic.

  Could be that phenomenon (illusory correlation?) where there are a few rare examples of someone who is [sexual minority aka. gay/trans] is also a pedophile, and that particular example of a crime becomes prolific…but the general population doesn’t have any experience with [sexual minority] people. So they assume that being [sexual minority] means you also have pedophilic tendencies because that’s the only connection they know thanks to that prolific crime.

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• TheBananaKing@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Apart from concerted sociopolitical efforts to make an underclass that can be harmed at will and blamed for everything, there’s a couple of less deliberately malicious explanation for a lot of people.

  1: Category violation -> perversion -> predator -> monster.

  2: I don’t think it’s real -> they are lying -> why would they lie about gender -> to lull people into a false sense of security -> predator -> monster

  Both are of course incredibly false and hateful, and both of course are pushed maliciously and cynically by many, but I think some people are actually taken in by one or other of these.

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• HatchetHaro@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  most people already (unfairly) brand pedophiles as monsters, and so placing trans people into the same category as pedophiles is a way of alienating trans people from the “regular folk”, marking them as the same “monsters” as “pedophiles”.

  to clarify on the “unfairly”: pedophilia is a paraphilic disorder (a paraphilia (a subjectively “atypical” fetish) that, when satisfied, may bring harm to others), not a crime; attraction is not sexual assault.

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• nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  if you believe that sex and gender are synonymous and assigned at birth then someone who doesn’t like their gender becomes a walking contradiction.
  any person with a healthy relationship to having their worldview challenged would see that and think “hey maybe i was taught wrong”

  unfortunately for everyone on earth conservatives define themselves by thinking that what they were taught is the rightiest thing ever actually so that doesn’t happen

  as for why pedophiles specifically, they’re a group of people who are so thoroughly hated any and all violence against them is ‘justified’

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• sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  when most trans people (as do most people) hate pedophiles.

  People do not choose to be pedophiles just like gay people do not choose to be gay.

  Its the way your brain is wired and hating people because of something out of their control force them into the shadows, prevent them from getting the help they need and make the problem much worse.

  As long as the pedophile did not commit a crime by acting on their desires, they don’t deserve to be hated

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  • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    hard pill to swallow, but anyone allowing pedophiles to be treated as an underclass is part of falling for anti-queer propaganda and equating being weird with being dangerous to society. just because someone has a weird paraphilia that isn’t forced on someone else who can’t consent then it’s nobody’s business. the only way to eliminate uncomfortable attractions is thought police or installing a chip in everyone’s brains.

    it’s why queer spaces turn fashy as soon as the furries, the neopronouns and the trans man lesbians aren’t welcome anymore

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• PeachMan@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Because trans people are different, and they’re afraid of different people. So they make assumptions that those people are somehow dangerous. Racism, xenophobia, transphobia; it’s all the same stupid mentality.

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  • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I actually agree with bigots that we are dangerous as trans people (to cisheteromormative society). the caveat is that we shouldn’t give a fuck what they think since conforming to a violent society doesn’t benefit trans people. it’s why marginalizing pedophiles doesn’t make child rape go away, because they’re just a scapegoat for all the normal people and parents without any sexual attraction to their victims abusing children because of the power hierarchy

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• muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Go ask one somewhere where they won’t be banned for explaining it to u.

  Plus what’s ur goal here start a fight? Have a thread dunking on people who can’t defend themselves without getting banned?

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  • branno@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If there was some sort of evidence that would back up the explanation you wouldn’t get banned.

    You get banned because there is no reason other than hatred they are falsely labeled as pedophiles.

    It would be more accurate to say all conservatives or Christians are pedophiles. At least most of the documented instances have been.

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  • MataVatnik@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Something you’d like to share with us?

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    • muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Nar just pointing out the stupidity of asking such a question in such a place lol.

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  • VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    People who bitch about being banned/blocked are always the most blockable/bannable human beings imaginable, istg.

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• AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  projection, mostly. they can’t imagine being in a women’s space without taking advantage of it, and they don’t understand that that’s a them issue.

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  • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    idk, there’s some truth to what you’re saying but I don’t think all those TERF women wanna abuse women’s spaces. it’s just socially beneficial for them to hate us because society encourages anti-queer violence. and that’s the part that puts women’s spaces in danger, being a minority. same for any marginalized identity

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• ThePiedPooper@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Because projection.

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• Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s not meant to make sense. It’s meant to make you shut down any argument in favor of giving non heterosexual people human rights. That’s all.

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• Weinerpalace@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think a lot of parents are skeptical of the treatment and do not like the push for gender conforming procedures on minors. And if you look at some communities, reddit tor example, they are absolutely giddy to try and get minors able to legally transition.

  From a parents perspective who wouldn’t completely trust a procedure, or maybe just doesn’t want their child to change or maybe get hurt, it’s actually really sickening to read how giddy some of these people are to push this idealogy on others kids.

  So yea, from that point it’s easier to just call them a pedo, essentially just bully them away from your child.

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  • rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Let me set something straight real quick –

    Pushing ideology: forcing someone to conform to a set of social standards that you believe should fit the body parts they were born with

    Not pushing ideology: validating that they have the freedom to feel or act differently than the cultural expectation

    The real “gender ideology” was cishet gender ideology this entire time.

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    • Weinerpalace@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Ok. Well I need you to understand saying this kind of stuff is why ppl want to stop transitioning from happening all together. I used to be an ally myself. But people like you hurt minors so 🤷

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  • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That’s a load of shit. I’m sorry but it is. You don’t need permission to tell someone to stay away from your kid. And the treatment for minors is puberty blockers. Not surgery. It’s less life altering than getting a tattoo. Perpetuating hate because you need to give yourself permission to keep people away from you kids because you don’t understand what’s actually happening is just a load of shit.

    Do better.

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    • Weinerpalace@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m gonna do even worse to spite your shitty attitude.

      And guess what bitch, I deal with kids all the time at work and always tell them your trsns bullshit is a cult. Fuck you pedo

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• genevieve@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Projection is confession when one chooses to inflict pain on others and self.

  They want to abuse children. By blaming trans folks, they ate seeing up “see they do it too!” as cover for their evil actions.

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• joel_feila@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Once you call someone a pedo, that’s it end of thought end of evidence. They are a oedo and so they are evil

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• lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  They are conflating trans healthcare for children with pedophilia.

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• SurfinBird@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Can’t call em Nazis, so that’s the next worst thing on the list.

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• MTK@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think that because of hypersexualization in society, which includes, for example, sexualization of nudity, has led to a situation where anything related to sex that deviates from the so-called norm, is lumped together. This also leads to transgender people who support helping young people with gender dysphoria, to be lumped together with anyone who associates sex with children. of course the sex part in transgender people talks about gender while the sex part in pedophiles talks about sexual intercourse, and these people are so close-minded that to them talking about sex and children instantly means pedophilia.

  I think it’s similar to people who consider nudist families to be incestual.

  Of course there are also those who just can’t accept anything that is different from them and therefore just blame them at being the worst possible thing they can think that they see any sort of connection to. For example, people call other races monkeys because they are too different to them to consider them human and so they are more related to something that isn’t human but is similar and importantly inferior.

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  • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I think you’re correct except for your cause and effect conclusion.

    They’ve ALWAYS been saying these things. It wasn’t caused by anything that’s developed in the past 100 years.

    I would say that the “hypersexuality” is caused by people not listening to those fucks anymore.

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    • MTK@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Hyper sexualization has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years, it’s just that it has gotten way worse with the digital age.

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• Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Because people they shouldn’t trust but do, lie to them.

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