Submitted 20 hours ago by Tedesche@lemmy.world to [deleted]
And what is the evidence for it being a Chinese spying platform? Is it owned by a Chinese company? Is there any hard evidence? Why is it so controversial?
the US government doesn’t like how little control they have of the information flowing over there
This is the best answer.
AIPAC wants it gone because Gen Z can’t easily be manipulated into thinking Israel is a peace-loving democracy surrounded by savage terrorists.
Appealing to an out of touch, jingoistic voting base and cracking down on a social media platform where “the youths” are exposed to “woke commie socialist propaganda”. Also, yes it is owned by a Chinese company, ByteDance.
Your link provided me with more proper information than your biased quick take, so thanks for that, I guess.
By the way, there's also a Wikipedia article about TikTok with a whole paragraph about privacy and security concerns. Along with references. None of it is refuted. TikTok / ByteDance themselves tell who owns the platform. And they seem to be very clear themselves and that they log your interactions, location, mobile carrier, information about your phone, your biometric face features and so on and so on.
They want them to force to sell it to a US company, so the US interests can be forced onto the algorithm…
Two reasons, both related to being owned by a Chinese company.
It’s mining data for the Chinese company.
The Chinese company can do their algorithm to change what’s presented. So they can play up criticism of the US and downplay criticism of China.
The degree of separation between the communist government and private companies is uncertain, so yeah.
Finally, someone who seems to be providing an answer based on objective fact rather than their own political perspective.
I’m getting the sense that the issue is simply that ByteDance is a Chinese company and their data farming is suspected of being accessible to the CCP, which may effectively be a means of spying on American citizens and as misinformation tactics. Not really any different the other way around, of course, but at least that makes sense as a rationale for banning it in the U.S.
There are problems with the law as well. The main one is that Tik Tok buys a whole lot of data about Americans and their browser history etc from data brokers. So they don’t necessarily need the app to gather information. Comparisons of the Tik Tok app vs it’s counterpart in China exist and they paint a pretty significant picture of the differences and similarities that explain how it could be used to push a narrative or propaganda. Barring that though two things can be true. It can be true that Tik Tok is a danger to national security, and also be lobbied against by American Tech companies.
What we’re seeing is that this law was the result of several things and doesn’t just have one singular aim. Anyone who says it’s just about one singular thing just doesn’t want to admit the validity of the other arguments because it ruins how they feel about the federal government, Tik Tok, China, Trump, Biden etc.
TikTok became one of the only places you could see and hear what was actually happening in Gaza.
It’s because it pissed off the wrong people. The initial push to ban tiktok was by Trump and republicans after TTers organized a mass RSVP of one of Trump’s events and he spent a lot of money on extra staff and ended up performing in an empty stadium.
That failed and Trump was mocked. 4 years later, it was used to counter zionist propaganda, and that got the democrats on board. Here’s Blinken admitting as much.
Additionally, Insta is TT’s biggest competitor, and FB, which owns Insta, lobbys to the tune of 20M/year.
Because Facebook can’t compete fairly so they’re using regulatory capture to kill it.
Technically the Chinese government could also use it to spy on Americans and that’s a problem because they’d be taking Er Jerbs - 'Muricans should spy on 'Muricans.
China blocks much of the internet its citizens can access in order to preserve its ideological grip on their country. I share concerns about data privacy in the U.S., but I would definitely be more concerned about a foreign government (especially an enemy of the U.S.) having access to our private data than our own government or even our own corporations.
Corporations don’t have residency in specific countries. They are subject to the laws of all the countries they do business in. It is quite fair to be more concerned about China than other jurisdictions but… don’t underestimate the greed of corporations. Meta itself has been specifically entangled in election interference before via Cambridge Analytica.
It’s about narrative control. Cia has tools to promote/restrict content with x and facebook. (read twitterfiles). They don’t have it for tiktok.
And on the flip side it is very dangerous to give Chinese intelligence direct access to propagandize to Americans. Look at how successful Iranian intel was on getting people on Reddit to back The Houthi Militia.
So that Trump can swoop in and “save” it.
After seeing the video the ceo posted, as well as the messages from when tiktok got banned and then unbanned, I’m starting to think this is the reason
Seems like you’re not really into the spirit of the forum, mate. Maybe just don’t comment if you have no answer to provide, hm?
november@lemmy.vg 20 hours ago
Tiktok is owned by a Chinese company, so all of the data harvesting that’s perfectly fine for Facebook and Twitter to do suddenly became a problem for the US government.
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
It’s not about the data harvesting, please stop repeating this falsehood.
It’s about how China is controlling the algorithm for polical goals. From pushing its claim over Taiwan to interfering with global elections by showing(or hiding) speicifc content to sway peoples choices.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
So what is considered perfectly fine for Facebook and Twitter to do, got it
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 13 hours ago
I mean, that’s exactly what Facebook and YouTube and Twitter do as well just over different things like radicalizing people towards Maga and whatnot.
lurch@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
It’s also about the data access by the chinese gov, as you can read here: www.nytimes.com/article/tiktok-ban.html
(not the harvesting, but the access to the harvested data.)
Tedesche@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Seems like the most honest answer so far. The U.S. doesn’t trust the CCP with its citizens’ data. No surprise there.
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
Please read my reply to the comment, it’s not about data ownership, it’s about weaponizing algorithms.
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
Except FB and Twitter sell their data to the highest bidder. If China wanted American’s data, they can just buy it.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Hard to believe this post is in good faith. This ban has been discussed at least for like 4 years now