Submitted 2 days ago by zero_gravitas@aussie.zone to worldnews@aussie.zone
In short:
Luigi Mangione has pleaded not guilty to state murder and terror charges.
Mr Mangione is accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside a Manhattan hotel.
What’s next?
Prosecutors say the state case is expected to run parallel to a federal prosecution.
Interesting. Is he going with the “you got the wrong guy” defence?
This is the normal way to begin a jury trial.
He’s not admitting guilt, requiring the prosecutor to prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) to a jury that he’s guilty of the charges.
If I understand correctly, NY has chosen to charge Murder 1 with a terrorism enhancement, which requires the state to prove claims about his mental state, intent, and motivation.
I assume that the defense is hoping to push for some sort of settlement latter in the pre-trial process, and/or to cast sufficient doubt over the specific elements of the charges brought
I mean, the police sculpted his eyebrows before extradition to make him present more like the assailant. He does not look like the same person, so of course he is. He seems like an innocent person who’s had charges pinned on him for the appearance of a functioning justice system.
They did? Do you have a source for that?
This is requirement in US Court system to even have a trial. If you admit guilt, they skip right to sentencing
Wait… Is this not a requirement elsewhere?
Ah ok. Didn’t know this. Thanks.
Just base on the first pictures they shared, they did get the wrong guy.
Well it can’t have been him because he was getting drunk in Canada with me at the time of the shooting, obviously.
He’s going with the “Go ahead and make me a martyr; I fucking dare you” defense.
I think pleading guilty skips the jury trial entirely.
Plus, I think many people agree that the charges the prosecution brought are not charges he is guilty of. They pushed for terrorism so they could get first degree murder charges instead of a lesser charge.
He may have plead guilty if they had brought more appropriate charges.
Probably the “I’m not guilty of this exact crime” defense. The burden of proof for murder 1, let alone terrorism, is a lot higher than murder 2.
In effect he’s saying “I may have murdered him, but I didn’t murder 1 him.”
At least if I’m understanding Legal Eagle correctly.
tombruzzo@aussie.zone 2 days ago
You can break the law and not do anything wrong. This is what happens when universities stop offering ethics in their courses
eureka@aussie.zone 1 day ago
In fact, there are laws which most people would agree are wrong not to break. Legality and morality/ethics are not the same, not defined by the same peoples and if anything are growing more and more separate. You and I don’t play any real part in designing the laws, they are not some liberal-democratic ‘will of the people’ as I’ve seen lots of people elsewhere saying. They are the dictatorship of the politicians, and more so, of the mega-wealthy class that own them.
If you want professionals to not give a shit about ethics, call one of the courses “Ethics in [career]”. It has to be ingrained throughout education (let alone society). Universities are not the cause.
Norin@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It deepened on where you go, but we definitely still require Ethics as a gen-ed at a lot of schools. In fact, I teach it.
Speaking of which, this whole case made for some very good conversation toward the end of this last semester in that class. As it shook out, we were reading MLK’s Letter from Birmingham Jail that week.
There’s a bit in there that’s particularly relevant here:
“One may well ask: “How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?” The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that ‘an unjust law is no law at all.’
Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.”
For my money, the US healthcare system degrades human personality.
eureka@aussie.zone 1 day ago
Are you talking about US high schools? This is an Australian community so it would be nice to have some context (or if possible, comparison) so we can better understand your perspective. My high school never touched philosophy or ethics in a formal manner, beyond a couple of mentions of academic concepts like plagiarism.
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 1 day ago
How would you describe the difference between just and unjust without a reliance on a higher power, andcalso accounting for the fact that ‘what is moral’, while often similar across the world, isn’t always the same.
In other words, would you have an interpretation of the same concepts, but able to be applied more universally?