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- Comment on News story saying Labor minister called One Nation voters 'unintelligent' shown to be fake 1 day ago:
I have no doubt that either this campaign, or similar ones, could be manufactured by foreign actors. The article links to this prior incident: www.sbs.com.au/news/article/…/zm35615a7
And that can make legal action against the creator difficult. So what can be done about it? To what degree is the social media platform responsible (as much as I despise them, I think their responsibility is limited, but they do provide a platform which enables this) and to what degree are people reposting it responsible? Is it arrogant or ignorant for me to suggest small fines for people spreading outright defamation like this, to solidify some actual accountability in social networks and hopefully make people more analytical about political propaganda? If our system can only prosecute the original creator, then they can just hide behind anonymity, jurisdiction or simply cop a fine as the cost of doing business.
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- Comment on White nationalist group marches as US celebrates July 4 1 week ago:
Agreed. US-centrism doesn’t mean “the US being mentioned”.
- Comment on White nationalist group marches as US celebrates July 4 1 week ago:
and that they are frightened of social repercussions
And not without reason - Patriot Front unwittingly recruited an antifascist infiltrator to be their photographer, leading to at least five of them losing their jobs and trying to sue as a result: vice.com/…/white-nationalists-suing-undercover-ac…
- Comment on White nationalist group marches as US celebrates July 4 1 week ago:
I’ll copy over the comment I made about Patriot Front over on the lemmy.world/c/pics thread: aussie.zone/post/34321108/23797324
- Comment on One Nation overtakes Labor, Liberals in Victoria; Allan’s rating dives 1 week ago:
Do people not realise, or not care?
For most, I suspect it’s the first. Media bubbles are crazy, and that’s why it’s vital for everyone to mention these things in day-to-day life (ideally without being preachy or inflammatory).
- Comment on One Nation overtakes Labor, Liberals in Victoria; Allan’s rating dives 1 week ago:
They weren’t polling AFR readers. On the Accent Research site, the report is described as
The monthly RedBridge/Accent Research survey run for the Australian Financial Review.
The report also has further breakdown by age demographic, home ownership, education level, gender, language spoken at home, etc.
- Comment on Pauline Hanson says her vision of 'monoculture' is like the Socceroos 1 week ago:
Monoculture sounds like the kind of thing they’d accuse communists of doing.
- Comment on Pauline Hanson says her vision of 'monoculture' is like the Socceroos 1 week ago:
It’s dog whistling, absolutely.
- Comment on Pauline Hanson says her vision of 'monoculture' is like the Socceroos 1 week ago:
There’s a contradiction at play here. One Nation is often vague and even self-contradictory, which combined with targeted messaging (and microtargeting in the digital realm) allows people to project onto them, I believe. They don’t want to alienate the white supremacist much, nor the “everyday aussie”, nor the non-white immigrant who agrees with some of their messaging.
It’s a juggling game. Sure, you get the neo-Nazis agitating directly about Gina saying we should give free land near Townsville to the Zionist Regime^[1]^, and an ON MP disclosing they have an immigrant Muslim boyfriend^[2]^, and more. But… who else are they going to vote for? Neo-Nazis are opportunists, they won’t just abstain. They’ll just call it ‘optics’ for the ‘normie lemmings’ and try to recruit those brought into their sphere through ON. So ON gets to sanitise their message and claim “we’re not really racists” and “stop calling everyone you don’t like a nazi”, without alienating the hardcore open bigots.
You can’t put the immigrant voting for ON and the neo-Nazi in the same protest for long, or a public meeting, but if it’s just votes from unenthusiastic masses you need, then vague mass messaging and contradictory targeted messaging works.
What rubbish. Predictable and pathetic.
Would have been cool if you preempted it, since it’s predictable.
^[1]^ : [official transcript] / [leftist article] / [nazi article (TW for bigoted ads)]
^[2]^ : [centrist article] / [nazi article (TW: homophobic framing, bigoted ads)]
- Comment on How good's Australia? No really, that's a question 2 weeks ago:
You’ve raised great questions.
I second those notes on national figures. I personally see an orange flag when people point to national metrics of economy, luxury, etc. as a sign of governance success (or failure). I’ve seen neglected public housing and gentrified tech-worker luxury a suburb apart, jump a couple more suburbs for mega-million mansions on the waterfront. This is all within an electorate or two. So what the heck do national statistics matter?
You mention means, medians and modes… I like to see medians when they show their face, do you have some critiques of medians in these kinds of statistics? I’d like to be aware if I’m giving them too much credit, perhaps because they so clearly contrast against means to demonstrate inequality in distribution.
Anybody have good data sources they’d like to share?
I’m afraid I don’t, especially not for Australia. I could try and adapt the Wealth Shown to Scale explainable to Australia’s ultrawealthy…
- Comment on This is the moment it all came crashing down for Hanson and her ilk 3 weeks ago:
Still reading, I want to give you thanks for posting the archive link and copying the text across. It’s much easier for me to read (especially now that the archive.md Google captcha is now asking some people for phone verification)
- Comment on Live: Pauline Hanson's press club address interrupted by protest banner 3 weeks ago:
And to emphasise my perspective, it’s harmful to supply “airtime without criticism” - that stunt drew attention to a sharp critique. It hijacked what would have otherwise been a notable occasion regardless.
- Comment on Hanson casts One Nation as rising anti-establishment force in protest-hit Press Club speech 3 weeks ago:
Hanson demands a homocultural nation.
- Comment on Live: Pauline Hanson's press club address interrupted by protest banner 3 weeks ago:
Fair call, promotion wasn’t the best word. What I meant to say was, they give her airtime without criticism - I’d say that’s a form of support, for a similar reason to your concern about giving her attention. Even if we’re talking about cases where the reporting is neutral, factual and with minimal bias, it’s still selected and reported on regularly, and that shapes the worldview of the audience, especially if the heavily-flawed ideas Hanson espouses aren’t addressed in the reporting. Repeating their messages verbatim through a megaphone is spreading their ideas - outlets almost never do the same with open neo-Nazis’ speeches, for obvious reasons.
And as is common knowledge, there are additionally some mass media favourably promoting PHON, like Sky News.
- Comment on How the explosion of the ultra-wealthy risks democracy 3 weeks ago:
For the most part, yes.
Voting for a representative every four years is not democracy, in any meaningful sense. The AEC is outstanding compared to other countries, I hold them in high regard and I am grateful, but we cannot pretend that people and their needs have more political influence than capital.
- Comment on Live: Pauline Hanson's press club address interrupted by protest banner 3 weeks ago:
and the media are just. Cool. Our turn!
and this makes plenty of sense once we inspect the owning shareholders of media corporations. Protip: it’s owning-class ultrawealthy parasites, same as in the USA
- Comment on Live: Pauline Hanson's press club address interrupted by protest banner 3 weeks ago:
I do have to question if that is giving her more attention, eg. “interrupted by protest banner” vs “Pauline Hanson’s press club address” really what we want?
PHON is not a problem that can just be ignored, considering that capitalist mass media is constantly promoting her and the party is regularly claiming polls and some election results of >20%. We are past the era of denying attention. If we’re lucky, we’re still in the era of education and inoculation against their propaganda.
- Comment on One Nation branch official defended Hitler Youth and called Aboriginal people ‘stone age’ in racist posts 3 weeks ago:
Well, Zoo magazine wasn’t where I expected to find neo-fascist propaganda, but in hindsight maybe I shouldn’t have been surprised.
When asked if his role was elected or appointed, he said “none of your business so bugger off”.
Democracy in action, folks.
- Comment on Seven arrested at Brisbane Palestine rally including flotilla activist detained by IDF 4 weeks ago:
Detained by the IDF and QPS! Ridiculous speech restriction…
- Comment on Stop Victoria's fake party rort !! 4 weeks ago:
Tom Tanuki made a video about this, in particular about the e-celeb grifters patting themselves on the back for this “genius” idea.
But the sad thing is, I think political consciousness right now is so low that people could conceivably give votes to parties just based on their ballot name.
- Comment on New technology developed in Canberra could prevent 70 million tonnes of milk waste each year 4 weeks ago:
Great to hear, thanks for sharing. I always love some good CSIRO news.
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- Comment on ABC, SBS reject federal government, special envoy’s definition of antisemitism [DE-PAYWALLED LINK IN POST] 1 month ago:
Good to see, hopefully this institutional pushback gives some extra mainstream legitimacy to the objection.
- Comment on One Nation's popularity is rising. Which Australians are supporting the party and why? 1 month ago:
A neat little array. Worth an actual read or at least a skim, it’s not just PHON voters.
It also helps to see this kind of thing so we can notice lines of parallel and work on top of them to bring people away from ON. Many have [I believe sincerely] said “I don’t agree with many of her policies”, so we should build on that and show parties which have the same focus on real working issues but without the nationalist garbage.
- Comment on 'No place in Australia': Burke adds 'neo-Nazis' to proscribed hate group list 1 month ago:
How can you possibly ban a “group” under any name they “reform” under?
What’s the issue? The NSN officially disbanded, yet almost all the same members created a ‘new’ organisation (i.e. they reformed), continue to run events through their front group (March for Australia) and continue to show up to various events together as a group. It is clearly a continuation of the same violent organisation in an attempt to circumvent the ban, something Sewer even talked about at the time of their disbandment, referencing what National Action members in the UK did, many getting arrested afterwards for trying the same thing.
Is this a preemptive ban on any groups that could be anti Israel - before they exist?
Very obviously no. Now, if you’re concerned that these anti-hate laws could be abused to censor groups critical of the Zionist Regime, then that’s a valid concern, especially if Libs or ON take government in the future. But no, neo-Nazis are a distinct ideological phenomenon, even distinct from Nazism these days.
- Comment on Today's Murdoch front pages are about as unhinged as we've come to expect 1 month ago:
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- Comment on It's Our Gas - Answering your questions on taxing gas 1 month ago:
would squeeze a dollar out of a rock!
Wish they’d squeeze a dollars out of those rocks insteada us. Gina Writeoff could pay their share…
- Comment on MAGA federation query 1 month ago:
Oh it’s really simple: the admin doesn’t follow them.
- Comment on Budget opinion poll 1 month ago:
This. There were a few nice moves, but they were far too moderate, not even enough to offset the bad moves.