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eureka@aussie.zone 6 days agowww.bbc.com/news/articles/c87lnn09yj8o - “Trump says US will keep or sell oil seized from Venezuela”
No-ones theorising about a closed door conspiracy here. They’re seizing oil tankers and making speeches about oil, while attaching the country with the largest proven oil reserves in the world.
Countries waging wars for resources might as well be the default reason for war throughout history. It’s pretty funny that you’re dismissing it as a “left wing conspiracy theory”.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 6 days ago
ehhh after reading bfmtv.com/…/elles-representaient-96-des-revenus-d… I think you’ve got credence but having thought about it I have to admit deep down it doesn’t really bother me
maybe it’s chopper style morality, the Venezuelan government was evil and awful, if the US takes it out and gets oil for itself so much the better, I hope the Venezuelan people benefit from not being under a dictatorship and it doesn’t turn into a Libyan style hellhole, I know María Corina Machado has been someone I have been cheering for so it does look like there is a credible stable government available:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/María_Corina_Machado
A bit like if the US invaded North Korea for oil, tbh I wouldn’t be crying for Kim Jong Un or protesting the US, sometimes it is what it is, a bit like Syria having multiple bad guys fighting each other, sometimes there’s no one to cheer for
I want the exact opposite for Ukraine and Greenland and anywhere else that are objectively good guys
hopefully at least by 2027 I can spell Venezuela without needing spell check
MisterFrog@aussie.zone 6 days ago
I appreciate that you are able to alter your position slightly, to recognise that this is how the US operates. It’s not a conspiracy to say that the US has engaged in regime change in dozens and dozens of countries over the last 75 years or so. The former CIA chief openly admits this.
Too many people online can’t admit when they’re mistaken, so I applaud you for it.
I don’t think there are any objective good guys.
Ukraine’s (to my cursory understanding) voting system seems more democratic than what’s taken place in Venezuela (which I don’t have much understanding of), but from what I’ve read there were serious problems with corruption in Ukraine, also. (Prior to the war)
Doesn’t make it okay that Russia unilaterally decided to invade after a pro-EU party came to power. That’s not their prerogative. Ukraine has just as much as right to exist as any other country, flaws and all.
The only way I could accept such an invasion is if aid were requested by grass roots movements that want to install democracy (actual democracy, including proper voting systems like preferential or proportional, and not vulnerable to gerrymandering), and it be done by a coalition of countries, and only if no resource deals are done.
Basically, if an invasion isn’t purely for self-defence or philanthropic reasons, it’s always unjust.
Can be justified if it’s retaliation to neutralise another aggressor (I wouldn’t be upset if Moscow were invaded for example. And the invasions of Japan and Germany during WWII were obviously justified).
I also wouldn’t be sad if the North Korean government were toppled from power, but again, I would be mad if it were a unilateral resource grab by China, Russia or the US.
In all other cases, invasions without international cooperation are not a great solution for liberating the common people, in my opinion.
And in the case of Venezuela, none of these conditions were met. So I’m against the US showing up and acting like they’re allowed to do it without asking. Even if the government there is illegitimate in many people’s eyes.
I would be shocked if the US invites international observation of newly run elections, and even if they do, I would be shocked if any government that is elected doesn’t bend over and sign resource deals with the US - because they obviously know they’ll just be coup’ed if they don’t.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 6 days ago
we’ll have to agree to disagree
Millions of Venezuelans are happy today and I support them
Hopefully it slowly leads towards them having a country that isn’t broke and corrupt as shit
having watched a few videos on the place in the past it’s probably unlikely though, when you have a shitty culture even if you get invaded it usually returns to the same shitty culture unless you do a full shutdown on it like China in xinjiang on the usual islamic terrorists
Ukraine’s (to my cursory understanding) voting system seems more democratic than what’s taken place in Venezuela (which I don’t have much understanding of), but from what I’ve read there were serious problems with corruption in Ukraine, also. (Prior to the war)
Should watch this:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=yzNxLzFfR5w
The people of Ukraine made it abundantly clear they want less corruption and to move towards EU integration
Same for the Iranians they have made it clear as well that they are not happy
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