[Technology Connections] Thermoelectric cooling: it's not great.

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• burgersc12@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Great video, who knew the 6 can cooler took more energy than a giant fridge!? Shits wild

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  • Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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    • manualoverride@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      TBH it’s well worth the 30mins… or 15mins at 2x… or if your Chrome console-fu and listening skills are high enough just 10mins with “$(‘video’).playbackRate=3.0”

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• dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The efficiency of Peltiers in regards to heat moved per watts spent is actually kind of crap. And the hotter their hot side gets, the worse that efficiency becomes. Overclockers attempting (often in vain) to use them for sub-ambient-temperature cooling for computer components have known this for a long time.

  Even a dinky compressor based refrigerant system is more efficient at moving heat than a Peltier of equivalent-ish total wattage.

  That’s before getting into the details specific to the crappy tiny Peltier cooler in the video, which runs at 100% of its duty cycle all the time and has functionally zero insulation, unlike an actual refrigerator.

  I have a Peltier based car cooler, and that’s basically the only use case for these things that makes sense: Short term storage of things where the actual temperature achieved isn’t that critical, and which needs to remain light enough that you can easily carry it. Basically, just treat it as a regular cooler that if you play your cards right you won’t have to add any ice to.

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Overclockers attempting (often in vain) to use them for sub-ambient-temperature cooling for computer components have known this for a long time.

    aren’t you still limited by ambient air temp because the hot side of the Peltier needs to be cooled by air anyway?

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    • fhqwgads@possumpat.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      aren’t you still limited by ambient air temp because the hot side of the Peltier needs to be cooled by air anyway?

      No, that’s why the baby fridge works. The peltier TEC in the fridge can produce temperatures below ambient, but generally not below freezing. Computer chip TEC coolers would go farther and push more power through the TEC and do things like water-cooling the hot side instead of a little fan.

      The reason they don’t get used anymore more complicated. It’s my understanding that basically TECs have a sort of limit on the amount of heat they can push from the cold side to the hot side, because moving more heat moved means more energy and thus more waste heat. Apparently most modern chips are past that limit. TECs can only move something like 100w of heat - past that and they start to heat themselves up because of waste heat. Modern chips can be like 300w.

      Sub ambient cooling also comes with a bunch of issues like condensation, so no one really uses it day to day. Also, chips are run so close to their limits now that cooling like that doesn’t get you nearly the performance difference it once did.

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    • toddestan@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      aren’t you still limited by ambient air temp because the hot side of the Peltier needs to be cooled by air anyway?

      You can certainly get subambient. Put some electrical current through a Peltier and one side gets cold, and the other side gets hot. Use the cold side to cool your components, and get the heat away from the hot side, and you can make it work.

      It can be a bit tricky. The hot side is right next to the cold side and it gets really hot, so if you can’t get the heat away it’ll leak right back over. Peltiers use a lot of power so you need a beefy power supply, and that’ll be another source of heat. Assuming you can figure that all out, you also have to be careful that the cold side doesn’t get too cold or you get condensation. Electrical components tend to not like moisture very much.

      I remember people experimented around with it back in early-mid 2000’s. General consensus nowadays seems to be is that it’s not terribly effective and not worth the trouble.

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Planing a cooler presentation when I get my Redneck Business channel going. I’m stunned by how ignorant people are on the subject. My $100 Lifetime cooler keeps cold exactly as long as a $500 RTIC or Yeti. And those are only for if you need multiple days of cool. I have a dozen coolers for various needs, and most are Igloos I got from the thrift.

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• Default_Defect@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That explains why that old minifridge I got for $15 on black friday was such a piece of shit that lasted less than 6 months.

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• manualoverride@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  These devices always remind me of these guys trying to make Solid State Refrigerant: www.exergyn.com I suspect they fall into the same category of “neat concept but commercially useless”

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I like when Rob turned into a full-blown Texan toward the end.

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  • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Who is Rob?

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    • grozzle@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Alec’s Texan cousin who showed up in this video.

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    • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Isn’t his name Robert?

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• Thcdenton@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I love this guy

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• ThePantser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  But he said the reason for one right up front. They are for office workers to have a few cans on hand. Your office won’t go after the power usage and they are not massive heavy boxes. So they are perfect for office workers.

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    what kind of office doesn’t already have a refrigerator to keep stuff in?

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    • Zexks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Many small and temporary/rented setups.

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    • ThePantser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      One that has thieves.

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• Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Stop trying to make regular people guilty about having cold drinks while billionaires burn entire forests

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    that’s not the point at all. the point is if you want cold drinks there are better options.

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  • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You’re being rightfully downvoted into oblivion for bringing up this argument when it doesn’t apply, but I’ll elaborate:

    • This video is a counter to the greenwashing peddled by these cheapo “desk fridge” makers parading around their products as environmentally friendly. For those of us who do want to reduce our personal impact on the environment, this is a fantastic exposé on what’s actually going on here. This video actively helps the environment, and there’s nothing at all wrong with that.
    • This video will likely also save a number of consumers money and effort by allowing them to get a better product in the form of a mini-fridge where they would’ve otherwise been suckered into an inferior product for their needs. For many viewers, especially those who would have otherwise purchased it because of the greenwashing, this video will save them from unnecessarily sacrificing money and convenience by getting this cheap piece of crap instead of an actual mini-fridge.

    I don’t know if you even clicked on the video or not, but this isn’t “making regular people feel guilty about having cold drinks”; it’s informing them that manufacturers are lying to them to make them feel guilty about having cold drinks and telling them to buy their garbage trinkets instead. This video is doing the literal exact opposite of what you’re accusing, even discounting the fact that your argument is often brought up speciously to stifle calls for personal change when you feel like it even marginally encroaches on a convenience that you obtain by mortgaging the Earth’s climate.

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  • Mojave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You can have cold drinks, just don’t buy these products to cool them.

    I’ve got a cooler and an ice pack, cost $5 from a thrift store and keeps my shit cold for a whole day

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    • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Why do you want cold shit?

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• Resonosity@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Thermoelectric cooling where you have a water loop and second stage heat sink is actually very effective. The problem with that however is you can generate temperatures below freezing, which can cause condensation in your device under cooling and lead to internal short circuits. Ideally you’d feed back the temperature of the device under cooling to your second stage heat sink so it can ramp up or down heat transfer

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