Submitted 1 month ago by silence7@slrpnk.net to nyt_gift_articles@sopuli.xyz
The inside-the-law approach that works to some limited extent is public community rejection. Things like large groups showing up and standing with their back to the Nazis.
The method that has historically stopped Nazis like this involves getting some level of police cooperation and beating them up
In Germany we (meaning other people, not me) usually organize counter-demonstrations.
We did that here. The media called us AntiFa and the cops tear gassed us and assaulted people with mobility aides. Then we started getting arrested and people who escaped were followed home by the Nazis. Knowing what happened I still would have gone, but I would have prepared better
All protests should be armed protests.
We used to shoot them when your country was them.
Isn’t it very illegal to be one in Germany? Shouldn’t the police be arresting them?
There are certain symbols (like the Swastika) that are illegal, but just believing you are a superior race isn’t against the law.
Do what punks did to keep them out of the punk scene. Make them feel afraid to show up. You do this by beating the shit out of every single one of them every time they show up or open their mouths.
Let them march. A bigger problem is that a huge number of people seem to think they’re a thing of the past and don’t really exist in any strength. Let them prove otherwise.
You can’t suppress them into defeat anyway, we’ve tried that before.
We can’t suppress them into defeat!? What?? That’s how the German Nazis were defeated! That’s how modern Nazis have been symbolically defeated, worldwide. “We don’t serve you here.” Any place, anywhere in the world, if an equal number of people stand up against them and for human equality, they run away with their results between their legs. They’re fucking Nazis…
There were several laws put in place in postwar Germany that specifically suppressed them. This was broadly effective, though I think the modern-day position of the AfD shows it was not completely so.
In the US, any such legislation would be struck down in court as unconstitutional.
So, it’s just not that simple.
“We don’t serve you here.”
Yep.
That’s how the German Nazis were defeated!
The German Nazis were defeated with overwhelming manpower & firepower, not passive suppression.
I’m not suggesting that an aryan-looking guy with a legally purchased assault rifle could take out a marching nazi regiment, but I am suggesting someone else has suggested that at some point. Last name . . Gratton? Matton? I forget.
We didn’t though, we let them fester, just like the Confederates. We should have also, not let them fester.
Actually, Ulysses S Grant clamped down very brutally on groups like the KKK during the Reconstruction Era, essentially continuing the civil war against the south in a sense. He ended up reducing their strength significantly and driving them underground.
Unfortunately, an idea cannot be destroyed with military might, it can only be fought by teaching critical thinking skills and sound information gathering and decision-making methods, so people don’t think so stupidly.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforcement_Act_of_1870
Note the line that says the law allows the use of the army to enforce it, that’s what Grant ended up doing.
Shoot most of them and recruit the rest to NASA. Oh wait…
Don’t be absurd. They needed people to run West Germany too.
Is Nazism protected speech?
From the government. Not from the rest of us.
It actively exploits the values of democracy to destroy it.
Story about the Jewish lawyer who helped the nazis get the right to march:
newsweek.com/story-jewish-lawyer-who-defended-fre…
Personally, I think it was a mistake but I’m Australian and happy not to have American freedom of speech.
Thanks for showing me this story.
Yes, unless there’s an immediate call for lawless action (like starting a riot).
Styrofoam dissolved in gasoline works well
Flying lead keeps Nazis under cover while you douse them in gasoline.
Legally I want the government to do nothing to suppress free speech. I recommend individuals to be a little extra.
Garbage bags stacked on roofs. Empty it on them from above.
Loudly ask why mass shootings happen to decent people instead of these scum. Play videos of the bombing of Dresden and the executions after the Nurnburg trials to remind them about what we do to Nazi fuckheads.
TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
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