Submitted 4 months ago by ValueSubtracted@startrek.website to startrek@startrek.website
https://www.startrek.com/news/section-31-teaser-trailer-sdcc
Look, I’ll watch Michelle Yeoh in almost anything, including this, but I can’t get past the fact that they’re using “genocidal tyrant” as shorthand for “lovable badass” to characterise Georgiou. It was a glaring problem in Disco, and it continues to be so here.
“But, but… She redeemed herself!” Nope, you don’t get to pull that card for a character who “murdered her own people by the millions”. There is just no coming back from that.
From the trailer, I don’t get the impression that they’re trying to come back from it - rather, they’re leaning in to it.
Yes, exactly. So they’re either playing the redemption angle (which I don’t buy) or they’re just going “Massacres! They’re wholesome!” (which is plain terrible and I don’t see Yeoh going for it).
I literally cannot imagine a less appealing Star Trek than this.
This is kinda what people said about the kelvin movies. If it were not for them I might never have got into trek. Now, I’ve seen everything trek most of it more than once.
Well I still need to watch prod season 2, but it’s not officially available where I live at the moment.
The mirror universe section 31 stuff was THE reason I stopped watching Discovery. I disliked it in season 1 but thought it was wrapped up well enough at the end of the season. Then Georgiou showed back up in season 2 and I just completely gave up on the show.
This is either going to be amazing and bring in a bunch of new fans orrrr it could be Star Trek Renegades II
Also is that the guy from VEEP?
It is indeed.
neat!
looks like Star Trek: Suicide Squad.
And what’s with Trek suddenly being like “Yeah, Rachael Garrett…lets really bring her into the fold” it’s like show runners at paramount FINALLY noticed that Yesterday’s Enterprise is a lot of fans favorite Trek episode of all time…with the alternate timeline…focused on military and action…ah shit yeah it all makes sense now.
Rachel Garrett? Good
Young Rachel Garrett origin story? Great!
Rachel Garrett without red hair? Hmmmmm
Please, everybody knows Garrett’s natural hair colour is blue.
I was hoping for something more suggestive of the story, but I’m actually very interested in anything that explores growing up in the Mirror Universe.
That is why this is called a teaser.
I feel insufficiently teased!
The Marvelization of Star Trek is complete, or just beginning
Say what you will, but I can see the appeal of showing the dirty, shady side of the trek universe. We always see a Starfleet crew of perfectly moral Starfleet officers who go around moralizing through the galaxy and claiming that human society has moved past capitalism and selfishness. I call bullshit on that. Sure you can tell me that earth and the federation planters are now a Utopia and Starfleet is clean and perfect. But I wanna know about the poor humans in society who are still getting fucked and the criminals and underworld that Starfleet ignores.
Anyways, you can’t tell me that there aren’t gangsters and this kinda stuff in the trek universe.
As long as strange new worlds keeps its star trek tone, I don’t see why another show can’t have a different tone and feel.
That is a cool dress.
I get the impression that this will take place almost entirely in the mirror universe.
I’m guessing section 31 does something to block or hold back the mirror universe people from going into the prime universe or something like that.
They should send that memo to the federation in Star Trek Online cause…holy shit.
Sorry I’m out of the loop. What’s that about?
At this point “Star Trek Online being absolutely batshit insane” is the rule, not the exception.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I fundamentally disagree with how Section 31 has been handled by writers. It should be a conspiracy of like-minded individuals that exists parasitically within Starfleet. Starfleet already has an intelligence agency, which everyone seemingly forgets about. Section 31 is not an operation being run by them. Section 31 should be treated less like “Starfleet’s CIA”, and more like Bohemian Grove as it exists in the mind of Alex Jones. The only post-DS9 Section 31 stuff that really clicked was, surprising, the ENT subplot of Malcolm being a Section 31 asset, because it understood that it was the kind of conspiracy that embedded itself deep within Starfleet personnel and didn’t flash its ass at the universe.
This trailer does not give me confidence that the treatment of Section 31 as CIA action heroes is turning around.
astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 4 months ago
I agree. When 31 was first introduced, and Sloan explained that Section 31 was sanctioned by Starfleet under Article 14, Section 31 of the Starfleet Charter, the implication was that they were people who misinterpreted or construed a (probably minor) part of the Starfleet Charter and used it to justify damn near anything.
Personally, I hate how Section 31 has been changed to be misunderstood, cool good guy/anti-hero types who are doing the wrong things for the right reason. DS9 had it right with portraying them as the villains within who should be snuffed out because the ends don’t justify the means.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 months ago
The only current show that hasn’t portrayed them as villains is arguably Lower Decks…
geolaw@lemmygrad.ml 4 months ago
Yes it basically “they might be assholes, but at least they are OUR assholes”, which is normalisation of being an asshole
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 months ago
In fairness, Sloan said they were a branch of Starfleet Intelligence with an official designation in his very first appearance on DS9, and nothing that came after that really contradicted him (other than his obvious lies in “Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges”.
Whatever liberties have been taken since then, that wasn’t one of them.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I always took that explanation as the thinnest of lie meant to give an air of legitimacy. Given the methods used to control Bashir, they seemed to clearly be working not just to hide their operational details, but their existence from the legitimate chain of command.
Indy@startrek.website 4 months ago
Hear, hear!!
I realize I’m not adding much value by saying this, but… I still wanted to support this with a comment and not just an upvote.
MrPhibb@reddthat.com 4 months ago
This, it seems like they forgot the original intention as shown in DS9, it’s not an official organization nor anything approaching it, it’s basically just a long standing group carving hiding in Starfleet justifying doing what they want by pointing to a paragraph in the Constitution… Sovereign Citizens with phasers and photon torpedoes anyone?
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You are very correct in everything you wrote. That said… it’s got Sam Richardson so I’m probably going to watch it.
FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Yes. I hate Section 31. Feels like a justification for the CIA. It’s really sickening.