God I wish we had two sane non-geriatric candidates again. I’m a huge Bernie supporter and I would never vote for Trump in a billion years. I’d literally vote for a turd before casting my vote for Trump. But between Romney and Biden…. especially after that abysmal performance by Biden… I’d be struggling. This is not the best this country has to offer. It’s very very sad actually.
Obama vs. Romney: The first 2012 presidential debate
Submitted 5 months ago by s08nlql9@lemm.ee to videos@lemmy.world
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaBRyCKRhk
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billwashere@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Isn’t it insane that out of 330 million people, we have these two to pick from?
paddirn@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This was the election where Biden seemed to have actually turned the whole election around in his VP debate with Paul Ryan. Obama did pretty shitty in his first match-up with Romney, just really put in a poor performance, then Biden came in and it was like a kick in the butt, he virtually walked all over Ryan.
phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
And he was a decade younger then. Past time for all the old farts to be put to pasture(good and bad) and let us other generations have a go at the wheel of power. This death grip they have thinking no one else can do it is going to literally kill us.
danc4498@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Makes me wonder what our world would be like if Biden had run against Hillary and Bernie in 2016.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah. But that was Obama. And it was back before the entire right wing lost they damned minds
Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
It was a few years into them being pissed at the audacity of a black man becoming President.
bamfic@lemmy.world 5 months ago
And Obama trainwrecked that debate. Incumbents usually do at their first one. We thought we were fucked. Total panic among Obama volunteers. He did better in the next ones and won so it was ok in the end.
anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
“The audience behind me has promised to stay silent.”
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Remember when we had functional adults running for president?
Feels like lifetimes ago, but it only stopped being a thing when Trump showed up and Dem leadership decided we don’t need to find a good candidate anymore.
dingus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There were moments during the debate last night where I just sad there dumbfounded at the absurdity of our current reality
ThePantser@lemmy.world 5 months ago
You mean when they started to argue like children who the better golfer was? The people don’t give a shit who is better at golf. Unless we can end wars with a golf-off between world leaders.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The worst part is trump has been exactly the same the last three elections.
His bullshit is normalized to most voters.
Biden wasn’t great in 2020, but he’s a hell of a lot worse now. Which is why we never see him compared to other presidents when they were in office.
So for Republicans last night went fucking perfectly. And for Dems, it went about as bad as it could have.
There’s just no reason to run a candidate voters don’t like or agree with just because the other candidate is so much worse. Even if we stop the worst, we still don’t get what we want.
None of it makes logical sense, which is probably why Biden’s few supporters only want to talk about how dangerous trump is. It’s really really hard to come up with a reason Biden should be the candidate. Even being an incumbent doesn’t matter when you have terrible approval ratings, those make incumbency a hindrance not an advantage
paddirn@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Part of these past two elections feels like it’s just the hubris of the top candidates, unable to bow out or allow anyone else to stand in for them. 2016 was Clinton psyching herself up to be The First Female President and thinking that Trump was a joke (most of us did see him as a joke candidate and that’d it’d be a cakewalk). I think in Biden’s case, he didn’t see any other strong mainstream Dem contenders and felt he was the best shot the Dems had at beating Trump. They seem to completely ignore their progressive wing and just assume they need a centrist candidate to have a hope of winning. I just wish he’d change his VP pick, Harris is just dead weight. He needs to shake-up his campaign and pick Stacy Abrams or something (though obviously this didn’t work for McCain/Palin).
sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Shaking up your strategy only works for progressive (or progressive-lite) candidates. For the conservatives they’d need to find a somehow even whiter and even more masculine VP to bolster their chances.
simplejack@lemmy.world 5 months ago
People had Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar to pick from. Voters picked Biden.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Lol, this guy thinks primaries are fair…
Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The thinking people picked Bernie. The masses picked who the superdelegates said to pick, which was Hillary and then Biden. That is why the DNC created the superdelegates, so that they have more control over the primaries.