Google Chrome’s plan to limit ad blocking extensions kicks off next week

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• mysticpickle@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  ::Laughs in Firefox::

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  • onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Who knows… Firefox might just follow suit. If devs have to write their extensions one for Chrome and once for Firefox, the Firefox one will probably be the first to die.

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    • Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s not how it works. Firefox has full support for Manifest v3 extensions, but it does also support MV2 at the same time, and aims to keep MV2 support alive in the future.

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    • smeg@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      From the article:

      Firefox plans to support Manifest V3 because Chrome is the world’s most popular browser, and it wants extensions to be cross-browser compatible, but it has no plans to turn off support for Manifest V2.

      I doubt they’ll ever choose to shut down V2, but Google is already forcing their handa little by making them require supporting V3 to stay relevant

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    • Midnitte@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not if more people use FireFox…

      Firefox also supports mobile extensions, unlike Chrome.

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    • 30p87@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then there will be thousands, millions of people continuing development of FF extensions.

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    • lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Isn’t that already how it works? Are there extensions trust work unchanged on both browsers? At the very least they’d have to maintain them on both addon stores.

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• Kissaki@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Firefox plans to support Manifest V3 because Chrome is the world’s most popular browser, and it wants extensions to be cross-browser compatible, but it has no plans to turn off support for Manifest V2.

  If Google decided to break V2 compatibility with V3, Mozilla should announce V4 (or V3 extended), which is V3 but with the missing stuff readded.

  That’d be a good practical and great product/tech marketing move. Just like most people won’t see how V3 is worse than V2, V4 will indicate it’s the evolved and improved V3.

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  • acockworkorange@mander.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Mozilla’s V3 implementation already extends out removing artificial limitations from it. Mozilla’s doing a reverse E3 and I’m all here for it.

    Now if only the nincompoop IT dept on my company allowed me to run Firefox…

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    • Kissaki@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      When my company enabled Microsoft InTune this year, so that our administration could ensure software is updated on our PCs, it repeatedly downgraded my Firefox back to before a security update, on every login. lol

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• darkphotonstudio@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We went through all this shit with Microsoft and Internet Explorer. It’s time to break up Google’s monopoly.

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• ErilElidor@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ll develop my own browser before using an ad-infested internet. Luckily I don’t have to do that, because there are alternatives and also because it would be a damn time consuming project to put it mildly 😅

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• megopie@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Reminder than most other browsers are based on chromium, and Google can probably break ad blockers on them if they want to.

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I went back to FireFox way back when the announcement of V3 killing adblockers in chromium first was made. I could go without everything else a browser offers, as long as it has ad blocking.

  I legit want AR glasses for the same thing; to block ads IRL.

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  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I actually really like the AR glasses idea. That said, They need to be open source and de-spookified, and there needs to be some kind of regulation that they can’t store or transmit images without first displaying a recording indicator.

    It’s probably not going to happen like that, though, so I’m not mad existing ones have such bad battery lives.

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  • buttfarts@lemy.lol ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Literally just gave up brave for Firefox two weeks ago just for that reason even though brave isn’t supposedly gonna be affected. I have no doubt Google might deliberately just break chromium one day once and for all.

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• onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I wonder what would happen if µBlockOrigin was just pulled from the Chrome Webstore. Would that drive people to other browsers?

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  • Kissaki@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Some would switch, some would install another ad blocker extension, and some wouldn’t know any better and do nothing.

    Unfortunately, most people don’t care all that much.

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    • kionite231@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      but there are some people who do care.

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  • mp3@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s uBO Lite, which is an MV3 version so one step towards making adblockers less useful as Google planned.

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    • reddthat@reddthat.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Many people have said they have switched already and have said it works without issues (as far as they know). I’m sure there is a huge amount of sites and configs that didn’t make it into the lite version, I guess we’ll find out when a huge userbase refuses to migrate from chrome and installs the uBo-lite

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  • averyminya@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    37 million Chrome users have downloaded Ublock Origin (if that isn’t including duplicate downloads/multiple accounts on one user).

    5.3 billion people use the internet. 307 million in the U.S. as of 2022… what is that, 10% of Americans using Chrome using adblock? Less?

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    • onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So max 37M users possibly willing to switch away from Chrome should it not be available anymore. Not nothing.

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• LordChaos82@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • ssm@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    it is so sad that e is dead

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    • t3rmit3@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You left out the ‘N’ and the ‘tscape Navigator’

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• S13Ni@lemmy.studio ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If someone unironically wore gloves like that I would bully them without hesitation.

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  • millie@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Those aren’t gloves, they’re just weirdly soft knuckle dusters.

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• FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Brave’s native adblock works better than anything else I’ve tried.

  Give Brave a look, folks.

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  • Banzai51@midwest.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Use Firefox. The crypto bros running Brave have been caught multiple times gathering and selling user data. You use Chrome as the base when you want to hoover data.

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    • FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      False.

      They sold data from Brave search, which you don’t have to use. (and I don’t.)

      Also, it works better than Firefox, especially if your aim is blocking ads.

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  • Xero@infosec.pub ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No thank you, I’ll use Firefox instead. Brendan Eich the CEO of Brave is a POS, he donates to shitty causes and then pretends that those donations don’t define him as a bigot.

    “In other words, because he silently donated to causes seeking to strip rights from minority groups instead of directly harassing them, the outrage was unjustified.”

    www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/

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    • megopie@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s also a chromium based browser so good chance it will loose any ad blocking ability if google decides to play hardball.

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    • FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s fine. Do what you like.

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• coffeetest@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Firefox or Vivaldi. I prefer Vivaldi with its built-in blocking. I also use NextDNS for DNS level blocking. Free plan is good enough for my use.

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  Other groups don’t agree with Google’s description, like the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), which called Manifest V3 “deceitful and threatening” back when it was first announced in 2019, saying the new system “will restrict the capabilities of web extensions—especially those that are designed to monitor, modify, and compute alongside the conversation your browser has with the websites you visit.” Google, which makes about 77 percent of its revenue from advertising, has not published a serious explanation as to why Manifest V3 limits content filtering, and it’s not clear how that aligns with the goals of “improving the security, privacy, performance and trustworthiness.” Like Kewisch said, the primary goal of malicious extensions is to spy on users and slurp up data, which has nothing to do with content filtering. Google now says it’s possible for extensions to skip the reviews process for “safe” rule set changes, but even this is limited to “static” rulesets, not more powerful “dynamic” ones. In a comment to The Verge last year, the senior staff technologist at the EFF, Alexei Miagkov, summed up Google’s public negotiations with the extension community well, saying, "These are helpful changes, but they are tweaks to a limited-by-design system. For a short period, users will be able to turn them back on if they visit the extension page, but Google says that “over time, this toggle will go away as well.” — Saved 67% of original text.

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