Screw TERF Island
Schools won't be allowed to teach children that they can change their gender ID, reports say
Submitted 6 months ago by hellfire103@lemmy.ca to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
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CCF_100@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
echodot@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Yes yes, it’s very important to make that comment at every possible opportunity.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Aye.
Wanderer@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Good. Think too many people act like huge hormonal and surgical options are no big deal.
Seen loads of trans people say they always knew. Well they won’t need to be told if they know.
The UK has recently done research on the matter and realised that children were not getting the support required for not transitioning.
Ismay@programming.dev 6 months ago
That is so wrong.
I’m 41. Figured it out around 36 because I never had the vocabulary to describe it and understand it. And I was miserable.
That’s “don’t say gay” bullshit aimed at making us invisible. And you.ve regress from “no pu blocker” to “don’t talk about it”. Nice support.
Enjoy your youth suicide rate…
Gamoc@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You are so incorrect that I’m shaded you were able to use a keyboard that was diverted in your own drool. Go get a grip and use it to keep hold of a fucking clue.
sonori@beehaw.org 6 months ago
Trans people know they should be the other gender and that puberty causes massive permanent changes to their body they are horrified by. They often do not know that everyone else around them’s deepest fantasy isn’t to wake up one day as the other sex.
They do not know that there is a easy and harmless way to delay these permanent changes effecting their bodies until they are an adult and can make a informed decision, that if started early enough these medications create a path to eliminate the need for nearly all of the intensive surgeries that are otherwise in their future, can be stoped at any time if they don’t want to continue with it, or that these medications are deemed harmless enough to be freely handed out to their fellow cis children for a wide body of disorders, but which the NHS suddenly requires years of regular therapy trying to talk them out of it to “prove” they are deserving of if there is even a hint of them being trans.
Yes, this means that the NHS has for decades required that the child and their parents must know they are trans and how they feel about the exact effect of puberty years before the child even starts puberty in order to gain the majority of the benefits from these medications which doctors can freely prescribe for non trans children without any of these barriers.
When you talk about the recent UK “research” you are talking about the Cass report yes? The report that outright stated it ignored over a century of scientific research because thouse papers went double blind, meaning they secretly gave an equal number of cis children puberty blockers without their knowledge or gave trans children sugar pills without them realizing they are still going through puberty, which was subsequently ridiculed as a purely politically driven by hundreds of UK pediatricians and experts in the field, who’s authors were actively helping draft policy with American far right politicians that defines a child gaining any acess to puberty blockers or even social transition as child abuse and requiring years of prison time for the parents, and who despite all this own author’s stated that even with their standards that while the NHS gives little support for non-binary children the high barriers it maintains against trans children pausing puberty, socially transitioning, and other forms of gender confirming care are actively harming them.
But hey, if so many people are apparently treating acess to these medications as no big deal dispite all the evidence to the contrary, why do nearly half of trans people in the UK end of having to get these medications from grey market dealers in southern europe instead of their local chemist?
exocrinous@startrek.website 6 months ago
Trans people know they should be the other gender and that puberty causes massive permanent changes to their body they are horrified by. They often do not know that everyone else around them’s deepest fantasy isn’t to wake up one day as the other sex.
Can confirm. As a kid, I saw a lot of jokes about how horrible puberty is. I thought everyone felt the same way as me, since they all acted like it.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
If you put out any research going against giving children puberty blockers you’d be labelled as a “trans phobe” and be cancelled immediately by social activists who aren’t scientists. Children should be given therapy to love their bodies and who they are, even if they don’t fit male or female social norms. Not hormone blockers and HRT.
Senal@programming.dev 6 months ago
The UK has recently done research on the matter and realised that children were not getting the support required for not transitioning.
Citation?
Streetlights@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I assume op is referring to the recent Cass review
exocrinous@startrek.website 6 months ago
You’re a murderer of children.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Case in point. Anyone who tries to argue against the agenda gets pressured out of it by being called a “murderer”.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Seen loads of trans people say they always knew.
Uh what?
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
A lot of people I grew up with who thought they were trans simply grew out of it. Many of them were pressured into it, or were doing it because they thought they weren’t masculine/feminine enough to fit with societal norms. Or just wanted to be different. I was pressured into it as well when I was younger and made to identify as non binary because “cis men are bad” and I couldn’t be a cis man in that friend group or something. Could have went worse.
sonori@beehaw.org 6 months ago
So what your saying is that you have gone through years of therapists telling you not to transition every two weeks, and accidentally been given a medication that delayed the decision until you were more mature and which you could stop taking at any time with no serious side effects. Turely that was a fate so horrible that it’s worth taking the decision away from the thirty thousand English for which it was demonstrably the right decision.
PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Sounds like bullshit.
echodot@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Even if this was an actual problem, which it isn’t, this is not the way to deal with it. Children ask all sorts of awkward questions, not answering their question is literally the worst way to deal with it. They’ll just ask the question more loudly in a very clear voice in the middle of a crowded Tesco. It’s best to just answer them and move on.
You can tell no Conservatives ever actually raised their own children.
ReCursing@kbin.social 6 months ago
Section 28 bullshit all over again. It didn't help anything then, it won't help anything now, it will just hurt people. Fuck's sake, what is wrong with this shites?!
Devi@kbin.social 6 months ago
Because we all know 12 and 13 year olds never have sex. One study says nearly 3000 of them got pregnant between 2000 and 2007 but clearly immaculate conceptions all round.
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Because telling them “I’m not allowed to answer that question.” isn’t going to make them look it up themselves anyway. I mean, you could lie to them, but I can’t imagine that being a popular policy.
Even if the sentiment behind this wasn’t so horrid, this is just stupid.
foo@programming.dev 6 months ago
The legislation requires me not to tell you that you can change your gender.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Fair. No clue why we should be teaching children stuff like this.
essell@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Stuff like this? Gender stuff?
It’s been normal for schools to teach stuff like this for decades, stuff has been gendered in schools forever.
The only recent change is giving children choices and recognising reality.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 months ago
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” - Conservatives
foo@programming.dev 6 months ago
Because some kids are different than others and need support and care so they can become the person they see themselves as
s12@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
If you’re going that far; just ban gendered pronouns altogether.
Streetlights@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That we’re reading this educational policy change in the newspapers and not from a professional teaching group tells you that is a simply political manoeuvre.
These kids are already watching porn on their phones, you aren’t protecting them from anything by refusing to teach.