Submitted 9 months ago by Blaze@dormi.zone to movies@lemm.ee
I’m talking about a moment when a villain has the hero at their mercy and then does a move to really show what an utter bastard they are. There’s no shortage of them, but one that really sticks out to me is one line from “Se7en” at the climax from Kevin Spacey as John Doe.
“Oh…he didn’t know.”
Anyone who’s seen “Se7en” will know exactly what I mean. As brutal as that film’s outcome is, that just makes it all the worse.
What’s your worst?
“But for me, it was Tuesday”
By the same token, Thanos’ line of “I don’t even know who you are” to Scarlet Witch after she says he took everything from her. Certainly not true, and cruelly dismissive of her valid pain.
Also, love how she had an entire redemption arc in Wandavision (as much as possible, given she held an entire town hostage), but then Marvel just threw that away to make her the Big Bad in Doctor Strange’s next movie. Complete character assassination. But I digress…
Wasn’t that alternative timeline thanos that said that though? He wouldn’t have met her yet so that version of him didn’t kill vision.
The very final scene of WandaVision has her hearing the voices of her children. I took this as a sign that things were NOT okay for her, given the events of the entire show being due to her delusions. Right after she just went through everything searching for the real ones only to realize they had been manifestations from herself, not even her real children. And at the very end of the show she was still hearing them call out to her, IMO a clear indication of what the events of MoM would lead to. Wanda was not OK.
For some of the faults of MoM, Wanda was far from it. Despite the fact that the writers of the film had not seen the show, they work together quite well. The entire point of WandaVision is that she herself is a dishonest narrator, from each episode being thematically different to the reveal that she was “the big bad” all along. To continue that makes sense to me, and I don’t think it’s character assassination but just further development. Sometimes people want to be heroes and their desires crowd that potential, it’s all too common a tale.
Now, if they bring back Wanda, that will be character assassination. Finally giving up everything and becoming the hero she wanted to be by sacrificing herself? Only to be brought back because - whoopsie I survived! (I will allow her to appear in the Agatha show, but mainline Marvel movies she should be out.
I do believe Thanos was being honest when he said that. It’s Past-Thanos that says that line, right? And I don’t even think Infinity War-Thanos had the slightest idea of who she was, as he likely didn’t care.
When Walter White tells Jessie that he could have saved his girlfriend but instead just watched her die.
not really a villain but the elevator scene in Mad Men where Don Draper says “I don’t even think about you”
Could’ve walter saved her tho ? Like he had no equipment or anything and she and jesse was unconscius and she died in the span of two minutes. But yeah walter is an asshole but i slways interepted that seen as him being a real asshole and twistimg the truth slightly to hurt jesse
Yes, he absolutely could. She had a gag reflex and was choking, clearing her airway would've saved her and he actively chose not to.
Not a film, but in the Foundation TV series what the emperor does at the end of season 1 is pretty damn cruel.
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Woo-jin explaining “things” to Mr. Park in Old Boy.
This one. The big reveal of Old Boy is just so brutal
You asked about film but I’m gonna answer comic books. For me, the X-Men scene where Dark Beast "cask of Amontillado"s original Beast behind the brick wall is my top answer. The comic spends time clarifying that Hank McCoy’s (Beast) nature is inquisitive, and his curiosity so great that merely not knowing an answer is harder for him than received a negative answer, so that the cruelty is extra-pronounced when Beast asks Dark Beast why he is doing this and Dark Beast just grins at him and says “Because” before placing the last brick. As a kid, I found that level of taunting truly to be haunting
Lucille.
Grimy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Black knight when the joker sends him to the wrong warehouse.
I vividly remember hearing gasps in the theater.
Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 9 months ago
I alwaysbinterpreted that scene differently, that batman knew what the joker was doing and made the decision himself to save Harvey, because he thought Harvey was that important for Gotham, more so than batman personal feelings for his girlfriend
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 9 months ago
You seem to remember that Martin Lawrence film very differently from me!