Who said that? I couldn’t find it in the article.
Comment on Puberty blockers to be banned indefinitely for under-18s across UK
Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
“Men have penises, women have vaginas; here ends my biology lesson.”
Jackass
cook_pass_babtridge@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
No, sorry it from an interview he did. The full quote is
When asked if transgender women can be women on a Talkradio interview show, he was applauded by Julia Hartley-Brewer for his response, stating: “Men have penises, women have vaginas; here ends my biology lesson.”
Reported in the financial times, but also quoted in the Wikipedia bio en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wes_Streeting
3ntranced@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Could you explain to me how biologically this isn’t factual? The baby doesn’t pop out with a penis and the doctor go “congratulations! It’s a girl with a penis!”
Fucking delusional, you want to shift your hormones and swap sexy bits as an adult? More power to you. Wanna let undeveloped children cause irreversible damage to their body because they had a phase where they liked to cross dress? Get fucked, it’s absurd we let 18 year olds even apply to college or vote.
stembolts@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
1 in 1,700 people are born with both sexual organs.
If extrapolated to the population of the United States that is 10% of the population of Nebraska that cannot be defined in this manner.
3ntranced@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I understand your sentiment and I dont want to come off as just “transbasher” because i have close both male and female friends who after college decided they wanted to transition. I don’t agree with their thought process but I don’t tell them or put them down for their choice because it’s their choice as an adult.
On the subject of intersex births, I find the 1 in 1700 to be very generous. Having a mother who has worked labor and delivery for the past 30 years in a large hospital, she has only ever had 2 instances where the baby was born intersex. And that’s out of tens of thousands of deliveries. In those fringe cases I think sure we can allow those to be allowed to transition because there is a biological reason evident from birth. But if you just have a hormone imbalance that doesn’t mean you need to block the natural course of growth to see “what you’d prefer”. Just let the body do it’s thing and when it’s done developing then mess around with it.
stembolts@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
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The first is anecdotal thinking by placing personal experience above targeted and broad research, the world is a complex place and while I have no doubt that your mother presents this information in earnest, it remains an anecdote.
The second is hearsay, you are not only using anecdotal information, but second-hand anecdotal information.
In my view, one of these errors alone would be enough to disqualify the validity of your point, and together, well…
I have no doubt that you are an intelligent person and I hope you can see my concern here, would it not bolster your views to step away from anecdote?
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
What’s absurd is how you’ve formed a strong negative opinion despite it being pretty obvious you’re completely clueless about the details of the topic.
Kids aren’t just given puberty blockers immediately at their request. A lot of work is done prior, with the parent(s) and medical and mental health providers determining the validity of the situation and working with the child to determine the course of treatment, if any.
It’s fine to disagree, but at least educate yourself first. Otherwise you’re just another bigot.
3ntranced@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
You state that I’m clueless about the topic yet I’ve had not 1 but 2 seperate friends who I’ve been with through their ENTIRE transition one from 13 the other 19 both M>F
The first one was put on pb as well as a litany of other medications and supplements. The second i only recall estrogen and t blockers. Now fast forward about 10 years. 19 is now 29, and she is still one of my best friends. The 13? 23 now and absolutely regrets the decision and constantly posts Healthcare slam posts and self harm.
So please, tell me how to educate myself more you uninformed twat.
Taleya@aussie.zone 5 weeks ago
Sure buddy. We don’t know those friends though. They go to another school. In canada.
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Sex isn’t gender and puberty blockers don’t cause irreversible damage.
You’re a shit person who’s spewing other people’s opinions and thus hate, because you’re too intellectually lazy to read about these things to grasp the even the basic concepts being discussed.
So please refrain from going around calling people delusional until you spend at least a single minute reading up on what you pretend to understand.
There’s a reason the term “transgender” is used over “transsexual”.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex–gender_distinction
3ntranced@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Ah yes, I’m a shit person for presenting an ideology different from yours. But please, bring up some semantics to break down my point, see how that works for you.
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Of course you’re one of the “my ignorance is worth as much as your facts” people.
YOU don’t have an opinion that you’ve formed yourself. You’ve passively ingested ultra simplistic right wing rhetoric, because taking the time to actually understand the subject would mean you understand it and if you understood it you’d accept it because you’d know it’s know what that garbage rhetoric makes it out be.
But no. You can’t simply spend a few minutes on Wikipedia reading about it. You probably sat there writing that reply for 20 minutes, which you could’ve spent actually reading the Wikipedia article on the subject to understand why no-one agrees with “your opinion.”
chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
No, it’s likely you’re presenting the ideology because you’re a shit person. Change is possible though! Don’t lose hope
radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
End of.
coriza@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This hilarious argument if wasn’t just a bad faith argument should be enough for everyone be in favor of puberty blockers, to avoid avoid irreversible change while the person matures and can decide what one wants to do.
stembolts@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
Do you also feel this way about children born intersex?
Currently, the population that undergoes the most gender reassignment surgeries is babies. A sexual organ is removed or re-shaped without consent at birth. Gender reassignment from intersex to male or female.
coriza@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Thanks for the ping. Well said.
Zip2@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Let’s start with the basics. It’s not all XX and XY.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_anomalies
3ntranced@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Anomoly noun
Zip2@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Yes, well done. Exceptions occur naturally, everywhere.
stembolts@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
To restate the initial point being discussed, “Humans are sometimes neither male nor female.” Please feel free to correct the initial point if you feel that I have misspoken here.
Your comment seems to be agreeing with us while you are simultaneously unaware that you are agreeing with us. Something being an anomaly confirms that it exists. The normalcy or abnormalcy having no bearing on existence, which is the target here.
No one is arguing that being born between genders is ‘normal’ or ‘common’, so what exactly are you stating?
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Your parents failed you. Your schooling failed you. Your society failed you. You’re an adult and you don’t even understand the concept that uncommon things exist. Instead you lash out in anger at the notion that such abnormalities might be acknowledged.
Taleya@aussie.zone 5 weeks ago
stares at you in ASD
also australian
also white
Oh look, i’m a hat trick!
guillem@aussie.zone 5 weeks ago
The penis and vagina thing is basic biology. Like, high school basic. Sexual development is WAY more complex than that.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Do you know what also causes irreversible damage? Puberty in trans kids
Taleya@aussie.zone 5 weeks ago
Do you actually have a single thought that’s not an hysterical strawman argument?
Kaboom@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
It’s because we’ve turned being trans into a religion.