Comment on conditional probability

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Vanth@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The first time I saw the man or bear question, I assumed it was a setup for victim blaming. Neither choice is going to be a win for the woman.

  Based on experiences, she doesn’t trust men so she picks bear? How dare she judge all men. So illogical!

  Or she picks man? Then she should be prepared for an inevitable assault because eventually the man in the woods will be one of the bad ones and she should have known. She should have been more careful or just stayed home!

  The whole thing was never a maths question. It was a rage bait question to rile up men who hate women and to give women an unwinnable binary choice. The only “winning” answer is to decline to play this stupid game.

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  • nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The new women in mens fields trend is the same thing. Its there to agravate people by doing the thing people claim to hate just to a different group. Equality does not mean every one gets a turn at being the opresser and I can see why young people start to consider themself anti feminists if these two trends are the most interaction you’ve ever done with feminism. Which is likely since I don’t really see any other big social movements.

    Maybe its not my place to critisize the way they choose to operate but all im saying is if you told me both of those trends were Russian plots to stoke anger at feminists I’d believe you easily.

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  • KoboldCoterie@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I assume that part of the intent with these type of scenarios is to draw attention to toxic masculinity by baiting out toxic responses, which is fine and obviously it’s effective if that is the intent. However, any attempt to respectfully disagree with the premise was also treated as toxicity and that just made me not want to engage with feminists or the discourse at all, which seems counter-productive.

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  • itskindafake@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    no, it was a question to illustrate how women feel about safety around men. the rage came from male fragility. the refusal to understand a simple premise doesn’t make the “game” stupid.

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  • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    All good points I hadn’t considered! However, some people did try to turn it into a math problem which I had to object to at that point.

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  • nednobbins@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tell me you’re old without telling me you’re old :)

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmGXeAtWUw

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s obtuse to treat the bear metaphor as a math problem. It’s doubly so to correct the work.

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  • pachrist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But would you rather be alone in the woods with a statistician or a bear?

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• stevedice@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Men kill more women than bears even adjusted per encounter.

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  • KoboldCoterie@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not here to argue about the bear metaphor, but this claim seems spurious at best. Even if there’s only 1 fatal bear encounter per 10 years, the number of bear encounters is so low that I don’t think this statistic can possibly be true. Do you have anything to back up your claim, or is this just a gut feeling sort of thing?

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    • stevedice@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Have fun

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      • KoboldCoterie@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This seems to be comparing percent of women who’ve been attacked by a bear to the percent of women who’ve been attacked by a man, which… I mean, I guess? But a more fair statistic would be comparing the percentage of bear encounters that result in an attack to the percentage of man encounters that result in an attack. This is also comparing fatal bear attacks to non-fatal man attacks.

        I agree with the conclusion that a woman has a greater chance of being victimized by a man than by a bear, but this whole argument just feels like it’s designed to not stand up to critical analysis with the intent of labeling whoever tries to call it into question a misogynist, though, and I’m not going to get into all of that again.

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      • usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That was an interesting read but it’s not the math per encounter. They strangely used lifetime stats and ignored number of encounters so it doesn’t answer that question.

        Some of the other commenters who point out flaws in the math seem to get their comments deleted or downvoted so that doesn’t help. It’s a controversial topic which makes it really hard to just crunch numbers without being accused of picking a side or trying to skew the results.

        Coming up with the stat that 10% of men will commit a rape in their lifetimes is wild though, and super sad if true.

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  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wait why are we killing bears?

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    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Fits of jealousy.

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  • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Do they? That’s hard to believe but if they did the stats right then feel free to share. How do you even measure the number of encounters?

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    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Unfortunately, Steve’s data is wholly anecdotal. He’s killed 8 of the 10 women he’s ever met, see…

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• Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Like I am fine if you want to meme or dunk on men

  That’s pretty F’ed up

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  • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is it? Men as a class are privileged. I’m fine with punching up.

    Note this does not apply to individuals and certain subsets of men who may be relatively less privileged (gay men, black men, etc.)

    Why do you think it’s fucked up? What’s the harm?

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    • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re asking what the harm in bigotry is?

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      • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No, I’m asking you to explain a specific harm in a specific case which I don’t believe matches any reasonable definition of bigotry.

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• rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  yeah I think the way I always read that question was in the hundred duck sized horses vs one horse-sized duck sense. The average woman passes by, say, in public, hundreds of men per day in a city, right? I read that question (and the implication) that they’d prefer from a safety standpoint if each one of them was a bear, which is more of a video game premise than a situation anyone would survive.

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