Comment on How do Americans win their country back?

VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  FWIW a candidate the left could vote for instead of someone to vote against would help.

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  • VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It would.

    But I think that ship has sailed.

    And honestly it might be the third-worlded-accustomed-to-things-being-uttter-bullshit in me. But I think “Winning back the country” is an unrealistic and foolhardy goal. Everyone who is on the radar for being harmed by Trump should look out for themselves and their own. Which includes “getting the fuck out of the country” if that is what it takes.

    Additionally: A significant portion of the country won today. They got exactly what they wanted. And pretending that this neofascism is some kind of external infection is tantamount to covering one’s own ears.

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    • mhague@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I’d recommend assassination, in Minecraft. If you’re leaving the server and everything is fucked then do one for the team and make some heads roll, in Minecraft. The right used violence and it led to the presidency. A coup was rewarded. Let’s take some notes.

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      • VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I am going to commit several violent acts (in Stellaris)

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    • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      pretending that this neofascism is some kind of external infection is tantamount to covering one’s own ears.

      See, I think it’s mixed. You’re absolutely right that people voted for this. At the same time, years of propaganda by monied interests have led us up to this point. Authoritarianism has been low-key popular at least since the 90s (maybe earlier, but the 90s was when I started school, and learned by experience that fascism is how the school system operates.) People are scared to rock the boat against their “leaders,” and given enough time, this is the result.

      I wish I had time right now to write more about this, because there is some deep psychological manipulation that’s embedded in the fabric of this country. It doesn’t excuse people’s behaviors, but knowing how and why they operate is crucial to understanding the big picture.

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      • VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        At the same time, years of propaganda by monied interests have led us up to this point

        See you’re right but –

        – Those monied interests are also coming from within. The wealthy and powerful from America who see this as a way to consolidate and protect their own wealth and power.

        Silicon Valley wanted Neofascism. Wall Street wanted Neofascism. Fracking Barons like the Koch Brother(s) wanted Neofascism. Some out in the open, like the afore-mentioned Koch(s) and Elon Musk, but make no mistake, every billionaire who “shuts up about politics” is most likely a Neofascist in private, because this benefits them.

        The people in America are heavily propagandised, but that propaganda is funded and developed by and for the benefit of the wealthy within America itself.

        Some people lean really hard into the whole “russian influence” thing because it is comforting. And it is entirely possible that there ARE Russian fingers in this pie – Russia does benefit from a weakened America, in any way they CAN weaken it. Heck, China and the Middle Eastern powers do too, so maybe they have fingers in that pie too.

        But never forget that it started with wealthy Americans, and not some foreign agent. And if every foreign influence walked away, it would continue without them.

        Theoretically, The Revolution™ that lefties like me talk about could change things. Just like theoretically, a peaceful political reform could change things. Theoretically.

        But I’m from the third world. Hopelessness is my bread and butter rice and beans. So I’m entirely accustomed to daydreaming of one day things changing, while expecting elections to change nothing, and knowing for a fact that any attempt at armed fighting would most likely end in a victory for the bad guys (they have the bigger guns).

        The idea of “things are already fucked, have been since before you were born, if you want to make a difference, look out for yourself and those you CAN help, make a difference in the micro, because The System as a macro thing is outside your reach entirely” is in fact how most people have dealt with things since forever, and we survive.

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  • Professorozone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Pretty sure Trump said we wouldn’t have to worry about voting anymore. It would all be taken care of.

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• TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Eat shit.

  This post is about recovery, not abandonment. Letting America fall will have global repercussions. Instructing us to give up is not helpful.

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  • VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    This post is about recovery, not abandonment

    Recovery from what? Fascism is what your own neighbours chose. This is the system working exactly as intended and pretending it’s not is covering one’s own eyes. There are hundreds of millions of Americans for whom this is a good day. And their project is to remove any chance of them ever losing power again.

    Thinking you’ll stop something like Project 2025 in the ballot box is willful ignorance at this point.

    Since OP has already made it clear that “violent uprising” is not on the cards, then the alternative is to get out while they can. Hopefully while helping others do the same. Save themselves and their own.

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  • GhiLA@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I gave up this morning. Sending this dude a dm on NZ. I’m sure they need mechanics.

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• Boomkop3@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Damn, and europe already has a lot of refugees to deal with :p

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  • VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    This has actually all been a very elaborate “come to Brazil” meme on my part.

    Jokes aside, given how a lot of our people tend to worship the floor 'Murica walks on, if a bunch of refugees from the US came over, they’d probably be welcomed with open arms. :P

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    • Boomkop3@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I suppose we shall see. They have a decent agreement with Germany to my knowledge. But only if you want to work on the black market or live on the streets

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• Zacpod@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Come on up to Canada. We’ve been suffering brain drain for ages, and could sure use some scientists and doctors!

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  • alsimoneau@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    PP coming in next year to do the same here though…

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    • Zacpod@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Too true. :(

      And the same morons will vote for PP here. Np brains, just slogans and anger.

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• HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  We will take you in NZ.

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  • nomous@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    No you won’t, NZ is one of the hardest countries to immigrate to.

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• Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I hear Japan is practically giving houses away…

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