The issue here is that Biden has to compete for the morons in the middle who somehow can’t decide between an obvious traitor and a mediocre democrat. So he simply must perform better. The standard is truly higher for him because it takes a lot to sway the mentally defective undecideds.
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enbyecho@lemmy.world 4 months agoIt’s funny how the standard by which we judge Biden is so high, and the standard for Trump is so low. Like… “oh wow, orange man form complete sentence, he’s really killin it” vs “omg Biden stumbled over his words and had one bad night, his candidacy is over”.
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 4 months ago
BakerBagel@midwest.social 4 months ago
There’s not really any swing voters who are undecided. There is a massive group that is voting for Trump, and a lot of people who would rather stay home on election day. And all year it has been “Biden needs to win” but now even the DNC is horrified that he is totally unappealing. He belongs in a hospice unit, not the White House. Biden has been like this since the 2020 primaries, just now everyone has to see how old Biden really is.
PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That is not all where the discussion is right now. The discussion is whether Biden is the best person we have. We still can put someone else forth and now it’s the time to do it.
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I don’t disagree at all that Biden should fuck off. But the point remains that the standard is higher for him than for the traitor. I was pointing out what is plain to see for the other commentator.
PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Of course, we have higher standards. That’s what separates us from them.
jaybone@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The talking heads said the Democratic Party rules only allow it if he steps down. Not sure if that’s correct. But either way someone needs to do something fast to right this ship.
go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The DNC went to court and said they’re not obligated to follow their own rules.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 months ago
While we’re on the topic, I demand they begin to support universal leprechaun farts.
go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If you’re referring to the “uncommitted” votes those people aren’t in the middle bud.
PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
One bad night? You’re joking, right? Or have you convinced yourselves this inane rambling isn’t a real, long term issue?
enbyecho@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Or have you convinced yourselves this inane rambling isn’t a real, long term issue?
Inane rambling? You are talking about Trump, right?
PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Trump’s faults are obvious to all of us. Even when I talk to Trump supporters at work they recognize it and mostly just don’t care.
Gaslight, deny, deflect. Anything to avoid facing how fucked we are.
enbyecho@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Gaslight, deny, deflect. Anything to avoid facing how fucked we are.
I didn’t say were weren’t fucked to some degree of fucked. But I’m also not gonna blow it so out of proportion that I’m paralyzed and do nothing. Or worse, cry and moan and cause others to do nothing. Literally people are taking one fuck up and forgetting everything else. It’s completely buying into the false narrative pushed by the GOP and ignores all the good Biden has done and the fact that 99% of his other speeches and debates have been completely fine. Many people have been… well, played.
The only reasonable course of action at this point is to stop whining, vote for Biden, and then raise hell to demand accountability from the DNC. Make it 100% clear that we will accept nothing less than a stellar candidate in 2028. At that point the danger from Trump will have largely passed and we can move forward.
go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Can you help me understand what Biden meant when he shouted “We finally beat Medicare!” I found that confusing.
enbyecho@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Can you help me understand what Biden meant when he shouted “We finally beat Medicare!” I found that confusing.
Have you never once in your life misspoken? Have you ever been in a super stressful situation where you knew you were being judged in every possible way by a large number of people? I confess, I have. And I have screwed up badly a number of times. Forgot what I was saying, said the wrong words… all kinds of things.
Thankfully, I was not judged on my stumbling over my words but by the substance of what I had to say and the totality of my contributions. I prefer to judge others similarly.
archon@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
So, you’re saying that’s all it takes for you to consider a convicted conman for president instead? Sound reasonable.
InternetUser2012@midwest.social 4 months ago
We’re talking about Biden, not Mr 34 felonies.
PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Christ someone already made a joke in that direction. You’re all fucking delusional.
blazera@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Stop fuckin strawmanning, jesus
4am@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Biden had more than “a bad night” the dude looks like he’s aging out of the ability to stay awake for 90 minutes at a time.
Fuck trump and the GOP for the rest of time but Joe looks like shit dude, and he has for a while. Don’t fucking gaslight me.
jaybone@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There’s so much Democratic gaslighting going on now it’s ridiculous. They need to stop fucking around, put the hammer down and just run Newsom. What do the egotists like RBG and Biden think their legacy is going to be? Step out gracefully and let someone else take the reins jfc. Otherwise the legacy you leave is that you have fucked us all.
Freefall@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s fine. He surrounds himself with capable people (The other guy’s are all heading to prison and were always the most incompetent for their positions). His party is just as corpo as the other, but they will not enact Project 2025 and still have a chance at change for the better (the other party does not). One party might maintain the crappy status quo, the other will absolutely entrench and yank the country further in the wrong direction irreversibly against the will of the majority.
enbyecho@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You have completely bought into the long GOP build up of a fundamental lie. Congrats I guess.
photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Did we watch the same debate?? I saw and heard him. He’s not fit to be anything but a retiree. I’ll vote for him but I fear many won’t.
jaybone@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Now if you criticize Biden on Lemmy, half of the people will downvote you and call you a Russian bot.
go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Did you watch the debate? Can you explain to me what Biden meant by “We finally beat Medicare!” What was he trying to say? Was he trying to say “We finally beat Medicare for all!”? Because that would make sense to me.
enbyecho@lemmy.world 4 months ago
He fucked up. And the DNC fucked up by allowing him to run a second time (or a first, in my book). But people are human, shockingly. They do fuck up and they do say incoherent things (you’ll understand when you get older, lol) and I’d rather have someone who spews gobblygook once in a while than someone who lies incessantly and spews gobblygook all the time.
Show me an alternative. Show me a viable path forward that ensures a second Trump presidency doesn’t happen. If you haven’t got that then there’s really nothing more to discuss. We’ll all hold our noses and vote for Biden and then raise hell to get a more reasonable candidate in 2028. Because at least then there will be a 2028 election.
4am@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Yeah dumbass, an avowed socialist for years now, been watching the GOP propaganda machine since it was cool to be on Fark for fucks sake and NOW they finally turned my frog gay. Makes perfect sense!
Wake the fuck up you white moderate, your cope will eat us all.
enbyecho@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m curious if you are an asshole in real life or just online where it’s safe.
HaleHirsute@infosec.pub 4 months ago
Did you watch it? I’m 100% for the Democrats but Biden is incoherent, he is not up for the job. From what I saw he isn’t up to doing the job through November. He needs to step down immediately. If he doesn’t Trump is going to win.
enbyecho@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If he steps down Trump is going to win.
Look, this is a terrible situation and the DNC is 100% responsible for fucking this up. Biden should never have sought a second term. But this is our awful reality right now and we have to deal with it in any way -that is available to us - that prevents a Trump 2nd term.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
I’ve been flip flopping on this over the last 48 hours.
I can’t dispute that Joe doesn’t seem fit for another presidency.
That said, it sounds like it’s really up to Biden and the First Lady to decide to withdraw before anything will happen.
In the mean time, this discussion isn’t helping progressive voters. Trump will preside over an irreversible lurch to the right. Progressives need to unite behind a candidate - anyone the faintest pulse will do.