This is my argument against using AI in my life. I take pride in the craft, in my craft, in what I do. I’m a maker.
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MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I know this is a shitpost sub, and nothing should be taken seriously, but wheres the joy in asking chat gpt to make something for you?
Where the thrill of leaning something new? The joy of getting new puzzle pieces to build something you made?
My white pill walking around a squear floor in Godot sure looks boring, but I made it, and I learnt something new…
victorz@lemmy.world 1 week ago
hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
This is why all of my open source projects, and port87.com, have a no-ai policy. I will never let AI slop touch my code base.
victorz@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Speaking of Port87, I wish their pricing to storage ratio were more competitive. Ah well.
makeshift0546@lemmy.today 1 week ago
I wish this place was popular enough to have stuff become copypasta. I am euphoric meme vibes 🤣.
victorz@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Enjoy, son.
FishFace@piefed.social 1 week ago
Where’s the joy in reading a comic that someone else has drawn? Where’s the thrill of learning something new? The joy of getting new puzzle pieces etc etc.
(Hopefully) obviously, not every bit of human life is about learning something new, some of it is about just enjoying nice things, whether that’s a picture or a cake or whatever. Some of that enjoyment might come from the knowledge that a human being was exercising their skills in creating it, but I think you’re kidding yourself if you think that’s a necessary component for a lot of people.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Someone made that comic. I’m partially seeing the world through their eyes. AI shit, no one made that. There’s no perspective, no idea. Just the most statistically likely next token. Trash
FishFace@piefed.social 1 week ago
I think you skipped reading, or skipped thinking about, the following sentence:
Some of that enjoyment might come from the knowledge that a human being was exercising their skills in creating it, but I think you’re kidding yourself if you think that’s a necessary component for a lot of people.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I read it. You’re an idiot if you think that’s true. People can tell when things are soulless, even shit made by people. AI is only soulless
Sure, people will consume soulless stuff. But they prefer the good shit, and that takes real human effort to get to
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
One disconnect here is some people just don’t give a fuck about learning or improving in itself, only to achieve a goal. So like “I want to make XYZ” the outcome is what they value not the process of getting there. Now they’ve been handed a tool that can skip the learning part and go right to “produces something better than I can” which only works because the bar is so low when you are comparing it to completely unpracticed work
chunk6235@piefed.social 1 week ago
I’m sure I’ll catch hell for this, but I use AI to learn how too do something kinda new for me, and it makes the process much easier than butlarian purists would like.
Example: I know how to program/script in a few languages, and I used AI to help me with a new one. I’m currently doing this with JS so I can automate some VTT actions.
Sure I could have spent hours researching and figuring out the annoyances of the language. Or I can have a bot give me the first few macros, read them, run them a few times, and use that as the skeleton of the next macros.
It’s completely possible to use what the AI gives you as a springboard for your own learning if you choose to better yourself along the way instead of just letting it do all the work for you. I mainly use AI as a rubber duck/reviewer to help fix mistakes or learn new concepts. But the bot never has control of anything that executes or access to my full codebase (or even full files).
rumba@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
They’re replaced by either the dopamine in finishing your side project in a weekend or in the dopamine from posting about it in shitpost and getting kudos.
makeshift0546@lemmy.today 1 week ago
The joy is having your objective complete with significantly less or no effort. It’s not complicated in the least but go ahead sealion to your heart’s content. It wouldn’t be Lemmy otherwise.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 1 week ago
“you criticize society, but you participate in it! I am very intelligent” type shit
makeshift0546@lemmy.today 1 week ago
Absolute shit use of the meme 🤣 ohhhh lol get fucked
knitwitt@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I think it’s like making a cake using box mix. Of course home made is infinitly better but at least you still have a cake at the end of it.
Maybe this soulless AI cat guy will have some human spirit put into them when the creator puts them into a really personal digital puppet show that allows them to express themselves through writing and storytelling as opposed to 3D modeling.
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Scienficially anyways, boxed cake will almost always be better than scratch.
Its more like Steamed Hams. You pass off garbage as your own creation, and your house burns down in the process. No one gains anything of value except you get a +1 to social standing with the person you lied to for no reason.
HuePony@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
“May I see it?”
knitwitt@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Maybe if you’re making the exact same type of cake. To me, boxed cakes always taste way too sweet, and I think it’s strange that tyere are no fruit chunks in them instead of powdered fruit.
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Fair enough I guess.
That being said, I am still Team ‘Lasts spend half a day making a cheese cake’ vs box cake. But I’m not going to ask others to follow my lead. (I am also just air frying tenders for dinner, so I’m also lazy at times)
Aeri@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’ve used it for simple tasks for coding because ultimately I’m not a coder and don’t really want to be but I needed something scripted and no real humans were interested in helping.
jnod4@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Ai is the only way I can personally use Linux, everyday sth breaks and i don’t have the time to deal with with forum posts and all that drama
KernelTale@programming.dev 1 week ago
As somebody who made a cake out of bought mix and from scratch both are good. I don’t think it would taste that different if I made the cakes which I do from a mix from scratch instead. Though I do most of them from scratch because I find finding a good cake mix to be hassle and making it myself less so.
FishFace@piefed.social 1 week ago
Box mix cakes aren’t worse than homemade; if you’re going for that very light, sweet type of cake then you won’t be able to do better at home, because industrial mixing machines are much better at creating the homogeneous mix required for those cakes.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Someone made that cake mix, though. A team of people came together, worked out how to make that mix at scale, tasted, iterated, and finally shipped the product.
This is getting cake mix by scooping up a random amount of the statistically most likely ingredients for a cake. No thought, no idea, no quality control even. Just the most statistically likely cake mix.
Sounds fuck awful, man.
FishFace@piefed.social 1 week ago
Nobody cares. I don’t think you care. I’m serious - I don’t think, before today, when you ate a cake you bought from a large store or made yourself from a box mix, that you got any measurable amount of enjoyment from the mere fact that the product was developed by people. I think you got 99% of your enjoyment from the cake being delicious.
The statistically most likely ingredients for a cake are going to make a good cake. I actually have a cookbook that has a recipe for “the average cookie” which literally takes an arithmetic mean of the ingredients in a dozen or so cookie recipes, and the result is quite good. According to the book, I mean, because I never had the will to bake cookies containing 2.35 eggs or however much it ended up being. (The book is “cooking for geeks” and is excellent, by the way)
The problem with averaging stuff is that you might accidentally average out more than one completely different type of cake and end up with with a little bit of cocoa powder, a little lemon, a little coffee, a little pistachio, etc etc. But this problem doesn’t really occur with AI in the way you’re implying, because it’s statistically very unlikely to have all of those ingredients in the same recipe.
Another problem with “most likely” is that you might only get vanilla sponge cakes because they’re the most common - most likely. But this also doesn’t happen, because it’s very unlikely that someone would reply with a vanilla sponge cake recipe to a request for a sticky chocolate fudge cake.
We can see the problems with AI content in the OP’s post, but that’s not really relevant to the comment that set off this sub-thread and analogy which was asking why people would use AI for something like this. If you’ll let me speculate, I think what you really want to say is that AI comes up with some utter shite, and you’re trying to talk in broad terms about how AI works to explain how that happens - but if that is what’s going on, you’re off the mark. It’d be better to just bring us back to the point that AI comes up with some utter shite! Of course, bringing that back to the question, people can be quite tolerant of shit responses in some situations, like if there are no consequences for mistakes, or if they can filter the output for quality themselves.