Comment on Philips shouldn't exist. Torx plus is the best fight me

CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• Bluewing@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  As someone who has spent far more time than I want to think about removing screws and bolts that other people fucked, Robertson is the second most popular fastener to get brought to me with Torx in hot pursuit.

  Philips head screws that are messed up come in two types. Soft cheese metal versions and the insidious Japanese style that are just ever sooo slightly different and require their own special driver. And most of you can’t tell the difference or even care.

  Plus, Y’all buy cheap ass “turn screws” as the British used to call them. When you buy dollar store quality tools you deserve what you get and I don’t feel sorry for you.

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  • CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Philips and JIS are interchangeable; it’s Pozi that’s not.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Have you ever turned these screws personally before? They are not perfectly compatible, just barely passable if the screw is in good shape and not too stuck.

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      • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        I’ve rocked a JIS phillips for years, and it works better on ‘regular’ phillips screws than a standard driver does. I’ve actually used that to salvage a screw that was damned near stripped by a standard driver. I stilil have to use my extraction set more often than not when that happens, but it has saved me a few times.

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    • Soup@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      So, I wanted to go at the guy for not reading your article but in reading it myself I did find possibly missing something. Like, they talk about them fitting within one another but then show that there are definitely differences. Maybe it’s a case of the same number screwdriver not being equal but +/- 1 number gets you back on track, I dunno.

      The article definitely isn’t fully selling me on what they’re saying, though. I own a 1986 Ninja 1000 and have done extensive work to it(engine in half, whole bike in pieces at one point) and there was definitely something up with the bolts. I replaced them all with new button-head and socket-head hex bolts and life was much easier.

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    • Bluewing@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Tell that to guys with Japanese motorcycles. I still get people bringing me engine parts to remove the messed up screws. It costs real money to get me to fixture those parts in my mill and indicate the hole in and then very carefully remove your stupid.

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      • BCsven@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I usually replaced all the JIS with socket head cap acrews for this reason.

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  • MML@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Roberson = square for anyone normal >.>

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    • DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      We all learned what a phillips is, so we can learn what a robertson is.

      But, yeah, most of us need a reminder for now.

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      • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Except apparently Robertson isn’t used anymore.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screw

        The contemporary square-drive screw has all but replaced the Robertson screw proper and is commonly referred to as a Robertson because it has practically identical drive dimensions and the same colour identification system, but the contemporary square drive socket has parallel sides rather than tapered.

        So it is a square drive, not Robertson.

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    • Soup@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Robertson = Robertson. “Square-head” is not clear enough, same as saying “hex-head” and not being able to say definitively whether you need an allen key or a socket. It’s not that difficult, just learn things.

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      • MML@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I know the proper name, I also know that Benny didn’t finish the 8th grade Smith is going to have no fucking idea what a Robertson is on the job site.

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    • kestrel7_7@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s not a square, it’s better than a square. One of the sides is ever-so-slightly angled, so the screws stick onto the screwdriver before you get them in place.

      Torx is good. Robertson is great.

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Roberson

      Robbie, if you’re not posh.

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• HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Torx plus is different than torx in that the tips are thicker which makes the rounding off much harder to do

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  • Bluewing@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    But still not impossible. Realize the incompetence of most people.

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