German here. I’m absolutely flabbergasted that this incomprehensible opinion has 20 upvotes.
0% alcohol is 0% alcohol. What the fuck are you talking about?
Comment on Saw this at the store this morning, took a double take
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This shit should be illegal zero alcohol or not we should not allow advertisement of beer to children. Where the fuck protect the children groups on this shit?
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 hour ago
Here in Estonia you have to be 18 to buy alcohol free beer and wine. The idea being “hey maybe let’s not get kids used to the flavour of drinks that are bad for them to be consuming even once they ARE 18”
thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
There used to be candy that looked like cigarettes and soft drinks made to look like a champagne bottles, and at some point we decided that was not a good idea.
I drink and I smoke, but I also think it’s not a good idea to get children used to those things. You can drink responsibly but there’s no quantity of alcohol that does zero damage, and the less we get young people used to them the better.
LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I drink and I smoke, but I also think it’s not a good idea to get children used to those things.
Unfortunately, there isn’t a “one size fits all solution”. When I was a kid, I had the candy cigarettes, champagne bottles, cap-guns to play " cops and robbers", and bb-guns to “shoot things” (trash usually)
As an adult, I don’t smoke, I’ll have a beer once a month or less, and I haven’t robbed any banks nor go hunting. Mainly because, as an adult, I’m not interested in those things.
However, as a child, these were tools to pretend and often pretending involves replicating you’re environment. I definitely grew-up in a rural area, but on (80-90s) television when everyone is smoking and drinking, you’re relatives smoke and drink - it’s normalized.
I would argue that the social shift towards no smoking and less drinking for adults, has a greater affect on children and a ban on stick shaped candy in a box.
(Now marketing vaping to young people with addictive “fun” chemical flavoring: that is evil and should be banned)
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I drink non-alcoholic beer because I like the flavor of beer.
thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
It’s not really about the alcohol content per se.
The issue is getting young and impressionable children used to the idea of drinking beer.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 1 day ago
So, there are these things called candy cigarettes. They are candy shaped like cigarettes. Despite simply being things like bubble gum or chocolate, it turns out that people who ate them as kids are about twice as likely to smoke real cigarettes as adults. This has resulted in them being banned as advertising tobacco products to children in a good number of countries. This add for nonalcoholic beer specifically saying that minors can buy it can easily be argued to be the same kind of thing, with the same kind of legal response. If consuming non-alcoholic beer as a minor results in significantly higher rates of alcohol consumption as an adult, then ads for non-alcoholic beer that target children, like the one shown, might be worth a ban.
MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 1 day ago
Guess we have give it a different name than… My proposal: Freer
baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
I’m also German but nobody should advertise harmful drugs to children.
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
Yeah, and 0,0% beer in Germany can have up to 0,04999…% alcohol while unlabeled anything may have up to 1.2% (fruit juice often has like 0.3% or so)
Mentando@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
I was under the impression that “alkoholfrei” / “alcohol free” could be up to 0.5%, whereas 0.0% really needed to be without any alcohol. Your link is only about the first case, if I read it correctly. They do state though that “without alcohol” should really be without.
cosmos8188@leminal.space 1 day ago
Agreed, but also including teenagers.
Fawkes@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
So 19yr olds shouldn’t be advertised to? What’s the cut off?
I actually fully agree that all advertisement is awful and support removing it entirely.
But lacking that, I don’t see an issue with advertising universally. And if we’re going to restrict advertisement to children, target actual children. “Teenagers” includes people legally old enough to join the military and kill other humans.
Vrtrx@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What does you being German have anything to do with it? Completely ignoring that no, being able to legally advertise it as 0% doesn’t mean it has 0%, in Germany non-alcoholic beer is still beer and doesn’t get advertised to children. That would be fucking insane to do.
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
You’re confusing „ohne Alkohol“/0.0% beer with „alkoholfrei“/“non-alcoholic” beer.
In Germany, drinks only have to be labeled as alcoholic from 1.2% upwards, so
- unlabeled fruit juice may have up to 1.2%
- alkoholfrei may have up to 0.5%
- 0,0 may have 0,0% (rounded down from up to 0,04999…%)
Fawkes@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Except the US concept of underage also includes people 16 to 20, which this ad is undoubtedly target towards. If it was an ad for beer with bright colours and cartoon characters I would agree, but it is not.
creamfresh@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Absolute fringe opinion even in Germany. Most shops and bars refuse to serve 0.0 to teens below legal drinking age, ads also don’t target them.
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
Hahaha what weird corner do you live in? Completely unbelievable in Bavaria.
Not saying that I like the drinking culture here, but you’re not describing the reality here.
creamfresh@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
yeah should have guessed it’s Bavaria
Fawkes@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Below drinking age, sure. I think the nonsense here is that the US considers you “Under age” until you’re 21. So you’re complaining about an ad targeting children, when the target is literally “Anybody under the age of 21.” Which is an unfair complaint to make.
Because using that same logic, “under age” porn is actually legal. Because at 18 you can get fucked in the ass by 3 dudes at once, but not buy a beer.
I hear you say “But there are different ages for X and Y.” Yeah, but it’s the exact same term used to mean the same idea with completely different ranges and neither has any justification beyond “Uh… Here’s the cut-off I guess?”
Would you take issue with 18yr olds having beer ads aimed at them? Because that’s technically “Under Age Beer!” And they’d be considered full adults here in Germany.
creamfresh@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Yes I take issue with alcohol ads aimed at anybody.
osanna@lemmy.vg 1 day ago
Lmao. They don’t ACTUALLY give a fuck about children.
MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 1 day ago
Why? Because it is also ~0%sugar? Ban ads for coke instead.
TopsickPilgrim@lemmy.world 1 day ago
let’s just ban all ads. That’d make me happy.
blackberry28@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
This is very likely form the US where u need to be 21 to buy beer. So even a 20 year old would be a child to you? This is dumb af.
stopforgettingit@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
This store is stupid for making this sign and they can get in quite a bit of trouble for this with ABC. NA beer is still 21 and over, its not “beer for kids”
protist@retrofed.com 1 day ago
The “protect the children” groups have federal cover now to actively harm children, which is what they always wanted to do anyway