Drivers can’t see the tip, but they are given an estimated payout (of the number presented is different from the estimate, it’ll always pay higher than the estimate) for each order.
If this wasn’t the case, there wouldn’t be any drivers. Drivers are contractors and DoorDash bids orders out until someone accepts it. No contractor in their right mind will accept a job not knowing how much it’ll pay.
If tipping weren’t allowed until after delivery, most people wouldn’t tip. You have the option to raise or lower your tip already, but have you ever gone in there and changed your tip after you received your order? Most people don’t. In the 6 or so months I was delivering, I only had one tip adjusted.
Nollij@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Flip it around - why would you work a job, any job, where you don’t know your pay until after the work is done?
“Tipping” is rich-people speak for shifting the expense (and blame) to the customer.
Bonehead@kbin.social 8 months ago
They already know the pay. The pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.
limonfiesta@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You realize that gig economy is the neoliberal slang for a poverty class work, right?
So you’re criticizing people who are forced by the system in which we live, to be ordered around by a fucking algorithm, and then take abuse from people who have enough money to NOT work in the gig economy, but no where near enough to actually own the servant class they get off on abusing.
Bonehead@kbin.social 8 months ago
You realize that the gig economy is not my responsibility, right? I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. I'm criticizing the exploiters for underpaying their workers. If you can't pay your workers enough, that is not my fault. You are not entitled to exploit anyone for your personal gain.
smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I agree with you completely but at the same time I have disdain for gig workers because they all seem to operate under an entirely different set of traffic laws and social conventions. At least where I live.
sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
If you think tipping, a current necessity to ensure proper pay, is not something you should be doing why don’t you stop using food services which expect tipping?
They won’t stop underpaying because you don’t too they’ll just blame the worker.
Bonehead@kbin.social 8 months ago
A tip before service is not a tip. It's coercion. Maybe we should consider adding regulation to this entire industry to ensure fair pay.
cynar@lemmy.world 8 months ago
In the UK (and a lot of Europe) tipping is completely optional. We only tip for exceptional service or if we’ve made the server’s life difficult. It’s an optional extra for the server.
At this point, it’s so endemic, in the US, that it likely needs to be fixed from the governmental level, but that doesn’t make it something that can’t be complained about.
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
It’s only expected because consumers with a similar mentality to yours keep supplying the bandaid. That, and poor local and federal regulation.
driveway@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
take it up with the state you elected. If they allow you to work for a wage that’s not enough to live on, and you don’t get a different job - that’s a you problem not a customer problem.
phillaholic@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Personally I tip 20% or more at most Restaurants. I draw the line at tipping before service as well. They aren’t even pretending anymore that it’s about service.
That said, I don’t use any Gig economy service; I don’t believe in their business models at all, and part of what you are saying is why. Workers shouldn’t be taking on the burden, companies should.
I do tip at some pre-service places that I’m a regular at, but I’ve run into some pretty ridiculous stores asking for tips where nothing warrants it. I try to be fair, but it is getting ridiculous.
ElleChaise@kbin.social 8 months ago
Practically nobody does uber as their main job, they do it because they either want/need extra money, or are struggling to survive at all. I know uberers, none of them would choose the job, but they can't find other work. There's an intentional lack of employment in this country to keep the workers moving forward; "Do for us, or end up like those people".
Bonehead@kbin.social 8 months ago
If your business requires you to exploit your workers in order to make a profit, then your business doesn't deserve to exist. Making excuses for the exploiters changes nothing.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 8 months ago
The pay is about $2 per order, regardless of mileage. Dashers can typically complete 2-3 orders per hour, and pay for their own fuel. The base pay is absolutely not worth it.
Bonehead@kbin.social 8 months ago
They are paid approximately $4 to $6 per hour, and yet some people are still defending the practice and asking customers to pay extra on top of the food and the $10+ delivery charge...
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tips are no longer tips and companies have successfully forced us to pay their employees for them.
It’s not the customer’s fault. In addition to us paying their salaries we have to trust some random to do a good job with zero evidence they will.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 8 months ago
If they don’t fulfill your expectations, you inform DoorDash. They hand out full refunds like candy.
That “rando” is not a DoorDash employee. You’re hiring a contractor through a broker, not asking a restaurant to send a waitress to your table.
The employee-waitress can’t refuse you service without getting herself fired, but a contractor-driver can tell you exactly where and how far to shove your bullshit offer.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make. I realize they aren’t employees. That’s the root of the problem. They should be employees and paid by their employer. I do not appreciate Doordash offloading its responsibility of paying and “disciplining” its workers onto customers. Do you honestly have no problem with that?
If they can’t run their business that way, then that clearly shows that it’s an exploitative and shitty business model that shouldn’t exist in the first place.
That is assuming that I have the time and remember to do this, not to mention that I shouldn’t have to do it.
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
There’s nothing to flip, gratuity and wages should be separate things. And living wages should be paid.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Well no, tipping is how you show your appreciation for a service. You are bring selfish if you don’t at least tip a minimal amount.
snooggums@kbin.social 8 months ago
A reasonable required base level of pay for service is necessary before a tip is showing appreciation.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
There is a base level of pay. That doesn’t mean you get to hate the poor person who is stuck serving you. You should appreciate what others do for you.
zeluko@kbin.social 8 months ago
Please tip your plumber, i mean you do appreciate their work dont you?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
The way this comment section is going I’d expect them to beet the plummer.
mx_smith@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My sons a plumber and he just got $100 tip for doing a job, but it was right before Christmas and the client was really rich. I don’t condone tipping but if I do tip it’s usually in cash
danc4498@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The point of tipping (to the tipper) is to show appreciation for the quality of service you received. If service is shit, you don’t get tipped as much.
Tipping before you get the service means quality of service plays no part in the transaction.
Cornerspace@lemmy.world 8 months ago
America’s view that tipping is normal needs to change.
How about an adequate wage instead, like the rest of the developed world?