Comment on As if the tip actually goes to the dashers.

Soltros@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Drivers shouldn’t be allowed to see the tip amount prior to delivery completion. That, or tipping shouldn’t be allowed until after completion. I hate this more recent model of tipping before receiving service. Because as you said, it’s a bid for service, not an acknowledgement of good service.

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  • Nollij@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Flip it around - why would you work a job, any job, where you don’t know your pay until after the work is done?

    “Tipping” is rich-people speak for shifting the expense (and blame) to the customer.

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    • Bonehead@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They already know the pay. The pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

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      • limonfiesta@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You realize that gig economy is the neoliberal slang for a poverty class work, right?

        So you’re criticizing people who are forced by the system in which we live, to be ordered around by a fucking algorithm, and then take abuse from people who have enough money to NOT work in the gig economy, but no where near enough to actually own the servant class they get off on abusing.

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      • sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If you think tipping, a current necessity to ensure proper pay, is not something you should be doing why don’t you stop using food services which expect tipping?

        They won’t stop underpaying because you don’t too they’ll just blame the worker.

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      • ElleChaise@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Practically nobody does uber as their main job, they do it because they either want/need extra money, or are struggling to survive at all. I know uberers, none of them would choose the job, but they can't find other work. There's an intentional lack of employment in this country to keep the workers moving forward; "Do for us, or end up like those people".

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      • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The pay is about $2 per order, regardless of mileage. Dashers can typically complete 2-3 orders per hour, and pay for their own fuel. The base pay is absolutely not worth it.

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tips are no longer tips and companies have successfully forced us to pay their employees for them.

      It’s not the customer’s fault. In addition to us paying their salaries we have to trust some random to do a good job with zero evidence they will.

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      • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If they don’t fulfill your expectations, you inform DoorDash. They hand out full refunds like candy.

        That “rando” is not a DoorDash employee. You’re hiring a contractor through a broker, not asking a restaurant to send a waitress to your table.

        The employee-waitress can’t refuse you service without getting herself fired, but a contractor-driver can tell you exactly where and how far to shove your bullshit offer.

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    • wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s nothing to flip, gratuity and wages should be separate things. And living wages should be paid.

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well no, tipping is how you show your appreciation for a service. You are bring selfish if you don’t at least tip a minimal amount.

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      • snooggums@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A reasonable required base level of pay for service is necessary before a tip is showing appreciation.

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      • zeluko@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Please tip your plumber, i mean you do appreciate their work dont you?

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    • danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The point of tipping (to the tipper) is to show appreciation for the quality of service you received. If service is shit, you don’t get tipped as much.

      Tipping before you get the service means quality of service plays no part in the transaction.

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    • Cornerspace@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      America’s view that tipping is normal needs to change.

      How about an adequate wage instead, like the rest of the developed world?

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  • june@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Drivers can’t see the tip, but they are given an estimated payout (of the number presented is different from the estimate, it’ll always pay higher than the estimate) for each order.

    If this wasn’t the case, there wouldn’t be any drivers. Drivers are contractors and DoorDash bids orders out until someone accepts it. No contractor in their right mind will accept a job not knowing how much it’ll pay.

    If tipping weren’t allowed until after delivery, most people wouldn’t tip. You have the option to raise or lower your tip already, but have you ever gone in there and changed your tip after you received your order? Most people don’t. In the 6 or so months I was delivering, I only had one tip adjusted.

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  • yamanii@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do you get your tip back too if the driver steals your food? Here we have Rappi that also asks for tip before the delivery so I never gave it out.

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    • UziBobuzi@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I did once because the driver completely ignored my delivery instructions and I called to cancel the tip. They refunded it immediately.

      Our building has a problem with theft, which I noted in my instructions, and they left the order in the lobby despite my clear warning to the contrary.

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    • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes you do.

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  • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No fuck you. I’m not gonna sit around taking all the shitty orders that just ruin my car and waste my time for $3 just because you think I should have a gambling problem for your benefit.

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    • wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then you’re part of the problem, I guess.

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      • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, the problem is that you want what you won’t pay for. Nobody else is gonna have a problem not giving it to you. Your problem is your own.

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  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve tipped a ton and gotten very cold food numerous times. I absolutely agree, and really hate this model.

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• NMS@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m really starting to feel like some of the people in threads like this who don’t get this simple concept you stated are just experiencing cognitive dissonance about the fact that they themselves are happy to exploit the workers because they don’t want to tip. (If I’m working for myself, and you hire me to perform a service, then I am your worker. 🤣 Fuck you, pay me.)

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