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• raze2012@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Man, I’m a laid off dev too. You really should know by now how scrutinous people are about AI anything.

  You’re not even getting the 100 dollar monthly payments off steam. Forget “just use google translate like pre-AI”, why not just focus on one language and look into localization later if this game catches on? Now instead all languages will be scanning your game with a fine-toothed comb.

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  • Sandbar_Trekker@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You really should know by now how scrutinous people are about AI anything.

    Well, we are on the Fediverse here where there’s a very loud echo chamber of anti-AI sentiment. Outside of this bubble, there’s a loud minority that’s anti-AI, but the vast majority of end users are more neutral on the subject.

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    • detren@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s completely incorrect when it comes to gaming, especially the indie gaming scene. Every use of AI that has been found in an indie game has had a lot of controversy to it. Look at The Alters from last year for example. There’s a large enough amount of indie gamers that REALLY hate AI and WILL boycott a game over it. Those people are also usually the most open to new and weird indie games.

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    • raze2012@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      but the vast majority of end users are more neutral on the subject.

      Not in the last 9 months or so. Even if people ignored everything else, data centers have been awful PR since that is only adding to the affordability crisis on people’s energy bills. AI sentiment in the West has completely turned around in the last 2 years.

      As an indie dev at the scale of “not even getting 100 dollar paychecks” , your audience for the few few dozen reviews (the most important) are more likely to be these niches who are looking to try smaller stuff. And who’s more sensitive to slop than the mainstream. You gotta be careful with your PR, especially in your writing and art.

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    • dreamkeeper@literature.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Bro even the rural chuds and soccer moms shit on AI here in magaland

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• DupaCycki@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t mean to hate. The game looks interesting and I’m sure you worked hard on it.

  However, you got laid off due to AI, and then went straight to ChatGPT for translations? Sadly, most online translators are highly AI nowadays (and usually produce worse translations than before AI), but there are still better options than chatbots.

  It just looks lazy, especially that you completely missed ChatGPT’s commentary. Such an obvious and easy mistake to avoid.

  My advice would be: absolutely avoid using LLMs and Gen AI for anything related to your game, because your potential customers will blacklist you for using it. And ask yourself: do you really need to translate the game (or its Steam page) to many different languages if it’s not even selling enough copies for you to withdraw the money?

  A lot of indie games are English-only, precisely because translation is too expensive and unnecessary at first. It’s great to make your games available to as many people as possible, but don’t forget about principles and quality. First, focus on those two, then maybe try writing translations for any languages you know well.

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  • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Language translation tools have been AI-based for nearly 15 to 20 years now. What are you on about?

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    • DupaCycki@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I loosely used the term ‘AI’. Most people don’t exactly know what artificial intelligence is or how it works, so using the terms according to their definitions sometimes creates more confusion than clarity.

      Of course translation tools like DeepL have always been based on machine learning. The difference is that a few years ago DeepL worked well and its home page wasn’t filled with ‘AI this’ and ‘AI that’. They seem to have transitioned from their old ML models to some of the newer LLMs. From my experience the translation quality is much worse than it used to be.

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• Luffy879@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Still, marketing is a part of the game, and also one of the easiest things to do without AI via deepl or something

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  • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    without AI via deepl or something

    This deepl?

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    Also note that Google Translate is AI too. It uses neural networks. Has for like a decade I believe.

    Really what it seems to me you’re saying is that nobody should use machine translations and one should always hire a translator for translating things into/from languages they don’t speak?

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    • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, Google Translate has used neural networks for quite a while. Recently they’ve also switched it to using the same Gemini LLMs that they give you chat interfaces with, so it’s pretty equivalent to using ChatGPT for translations. It’s just another company’s version of the same thing, wrapped in a translation interface.

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    • Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not an LLM IIRC (the deepl one at least, Google now uses gemini)

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      • rursta@retrolemmy.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        what in blazes do you think is a «large language model»?

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    • detren@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For professional work - yes everyone should hire translators.

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      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes, people who got laid off from their day jobs surely can afford paying other people.

        What about indie development is ‘professional’? This is not Blizzard or EA games you’re talking about.

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  • deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    withoit AI via deepl…

    Will somebody tell him?

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    • raze2012@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I know he means “without the use of LLMs.”. That’s the big thing being forced down People’s throats that they don’t like.

      I doubt people are rebelling against reinforcement learning for physically based animations, or prediction engines to forecast the weather

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• Sandbar_Trekker@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  For any AI Translations, it’s good practice to open up a different chat with the model, and have it translate the output back to your original language so that you can double check what is being said.

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  • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tangential: They used to be a website that used Google translate to translate a phrase back and forth between a bunch of different languages until it reached ‘equilibrium’ and stopped changing with each translate. You could get some really crazy stuff out of it.

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