The story doesn’t start on oct 7th.
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Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 years agoMaybe Hamas shouldn’t start shit.
NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 years ago
But the current chapter does. Gaza would look a lot different today if the October 7th attack had not happened.
Shit it would look like a fucking paradise if they had taken one of the many two state solution deals they were offered.
NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 2 years ago
So your blame is on hamas and Gaza for what Israel is doing there? Here’s a question, if there are terrorists hiding under a school or who were hiding in Manhattan or Tel Aviv. Would it be justified to bomb everything like what happened in Gaza?
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Well, New York is American soil, if Terrorists were hiding under a building there I hope our government can surgically remove them. I then hope that our government would glass whatever shit hole those terrorists came from.
Tel Aviv is Israelis territory, it’s response is up to their leadership and the will of populace.
hark@lemmy.world 2 years ago
This shit has been planned for a long time. Here’s just one example of the plan being shown out in the open before october 7th: timesofisrael.com/…/netanyahu-brandishes-map-of-i…
All they needed was a “justification” to ramp up their ethnic cleansing and genocide.
WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Maybe Israel shouldn’t fund Hamas over secular orgs to manufacture the pretext for the genocide they’re now committing in order to create an ethnostate.
Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
Do you know that’s a baseless conspiracy you’re pedaling?
WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Yeah - nah.
washingtonpost.com/…/how-israel-helped-create-ham…
nytimes.com/…/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.ht…
timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-…
Plenty of credible news outlets are reporting that one. It’s not a remotely controversial statement.
Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
Ok so you’re against Israel providing work permits to Palestinians?
Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.
From one of your articles, they’re literally complaining that Israel allows Palestinians to have jobs in Israel and saying that this practice of not totally starving out Palestine is proping up Hamas.
Since Netanyahu returned to power in January 2023, the number of work permits has soared to nearly 20,000.
The article is angry at him for something you almost certainly use the opposite of as a reason to call it an apartheid state or open air prison or whatever, this is something you surely think should happen right? Palestinians should be able to work in Israel, right?
They go on to talk about how he shouldn’t be letting aid money into Gaza, etc
And do you agree with this from the article?
One thing is clear: The concept of indirectly strengthening Hamas — while tolerating sporadic attacks and minor military operations every few years — went up in smoke Saturday.
They argue that anything less than total military destruction of Hamas is equivalent to support, they want a boodier and more brutal war which is why they’re saying the claim in the headline - surely you don’t agree with that? Surely you don’t think that Israel shouldn’t let aid into Gaza and should attack more violently? Therefore surely you don’t agree with the claim in the title.
You’re parroting headlines without reading the article, probably because you’ve heard the claim repeated by so many people who also didn’t bother to read the article and just assumed it validated their existing view.
rdri@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Funding might be true. But do we have real evidence that it was done precisely for what you described? Did someone specific decided “let’s give them money, so they would build rockets to bomb us, then invade to kill our citizens in an attack we’ll be unprepared for and then have all the right to obliterate them and nobody would stop us”?
WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Incredibly loaded framing aside, what’s your explanation for Israel backing a Jihadist group, and helping them displace moderate, secular alternatives while consistently using genocidal language and displacing Palestinians?
rdri@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I’d say it’s not loaded framing on my side, but convoluted assumptions (and possibly clairvoyance) on the other.
I may not have the explanation of why “Israel funded hamas”, but I know that half the world funded Palestine for years, and that most of that help naturally must’ve went through hamas.
Simply put, it doesn’t seem like Israel could avoid funding Palestine. Hamas could’ve put that money in improving lives of citizens.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
Maybe you shouldn’t talk shit
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Oooo internet tough guy.
exocrinous@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Oppression causes terrorism. Israel made Hamas. Why? Because Israel wants an excuse to escalate the conflict
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Thats it, shut it down people, we’ve gone full circle. Israel is killing its own people by killing the people who want to kill them…
Your mental gymnastics deserve a gold medal for that performance.
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 2 years ago
By your logic, the Innocents killed on 9/11 brought it on themselves.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 years ago
The United States created the conditions for the blowback that resulted in the 9/11 attacks
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Wow that is some amazing mental gymnastics there. I sure do hope you don’t strain yourself with all those logical fallacies you are jumping through.
yournamehere@lemm.ee 2 years ago
selfawarewolf?
american war on taliban was the well accepted result. israels war on gazians… same.