Comment on Anon judges Karl

• GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Lemmites just be spouting buzzwords at this point.

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  • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Liberalism is the philosophy of capitalism, the guy in OP is definitionly a lib.

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    • hanrahan@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Indeed, its why Australia’s main conservative party (middle right) are called The Liberals

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    • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Yes, historically that is the case. Semantics drift over time, though. Even though both liberals and conservatives are classical liberals, only one actually still uses the liberal label. When you don’t acknowledge semantic drift, you alienate others because they can’t follow what you’re saying. If you want to destroy capitalism, you need to make the circle of people bigger, not shoulder people out before they begin.

      Phrased another way, you want to move the Overton window leftwards, not contribute to it shrinking to the right.

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      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Nah. We don’t need to surrender the overton window to liberals and let them dictate that the alternative to capitalism is capitalism, except the workers get more crumbs and minorities get conditional protections. Moving the Overton window left of the current rightwing framing requires people to realize how rightwing the current framing is.

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      • ddplf@szmer.info ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Americans sure love making everything miserably fucking stupid for their own convenience and ignorance.

        No, liberals are not leftist ANYWHERE outside the US. And we don’t want that. That’s because that doesn’t make any fucking sense.

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    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      No, that’s neoliberalism. Which is a misnomer, because actual liberalism emerged from the humanist tradition and was a political philosophy, not an economic one. It’s where we got ideas like human rights, and rules that restrict governments’ abilities to oppress their citizens.

      Neoliberalism misapplies the idea of “freedom” the same way anarcho-capitalists do. But I don’t think anyone here would argue that all anarchists are anarcho-capitalists.

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      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        annas-archive.is/books/289061-289061-liberalism

        Heres a book going through all the major liberal philosophers and how they dealt with the conflicts inherent to liberalism.

        Tldr, core, overriding freedom of liberalism is and has always been for the dominant class to economically exploit the working class.

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      • justaman123@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Actually jokes on you, none of the words mean anything and they are all word games used to keep the masses in their places.

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• Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Why when both are accurate

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• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  The funny thing is that communism is technically an evolution of actual liberalism, and tankies look a lot less down on conservatives because of conservatism’s “muh tradishun” lifestyle marketing.

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