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• rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  No one except a few communists calls extreme rightwing chuds “liberal” anywhere outside of the US, either.

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  • ddplf@szmer.info ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Who’s calling them that? No, that would be libertarians.

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    • rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Behold: mander.xyz/comment/27919524

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• chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Yes, and as I already said elsewhere, speak to be understood. In the US, I have to account for semantic drift. You don’t, which is great, but 4chan is an American institution.

  So, when the comment we’re all replying under drew the comparison between liberal and 4chan, the underlying context was that this was from an American perspective. So I talked about that, instead of talking about all possible contexts. Isn’t language neat?

  Yes, Americans are ignorant, but it’s because of our incredibly loud propaganda. I would ask for kindness, but I’m certainly not gonna force it. I get being frustrated by the American-centric-ness that we all sort of drag around with us. I try to be humble, but it’s really hard to know the shit you don’t know, ya know?

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• frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  It really depends on how you define things; a black and white definition doesn’t account for scenarios where one could logically be both leftist and liberal. So it’s not exactly nonsense.

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  • ddplf@szmer.info ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Okay then, surprise me, what beliefs would a man posses that would lead him to calling himself a liberal leftist?

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    • frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The terms are not mutually exclusive, you can want more things to be publicly owned or operated but still want some forms of private ownership such as in the case of owning a home.

      Do I think corporations should own the land for corporate enterprises or even for apartment buildings? Fuck no, that should be public since the land owners are incompetent and will try to generate a profit on things like hospitals, low income housing, or forcing out all of the good restaurants in the community.

      Individual ownership for private use I don’t see a problem with though, such as home ownership, at least for one house. Although I see that as an incentive that should be there to encourage and reward work. Transportation could be mostly solved by a better public transit system that was connected.

      Medical care, insurance, social security, childcare expenses, and many more could be covered by taxes, at least taxes on corporations. Yet alone having something like a Universal Basic Income to cover people’s daily expenses. There could be better union protections and such but I feel that’s branching the conversation off a bit much.

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      • ddplf@szmer.info ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I’m sorry but you completelly misunderstand the idea of liberalism.

        No, ‘wanting to have some stuff privatized’ is not liberal. If we’re going that route of thinking and we only focus on privatization, then being a liberal starts at “I’m extremely fucking enthusiastic about privatizing EVERYTHING”, not “yeah, it’s ok to have some things private i guess idk”

        Do I think corporations should own the land for corporate enterprises or even for apartment buildings? Fuck no, that should be public since the land owners are incompetent and will try to generate a profit on things like hospitals, low income housing, or forcing out all of the good restaurants in the community.

        Congrats, you are most likely NOT a liberal.

        Individual ownership for private use I don’t see a problem with though, such as home ownership, at least for one house. Although I see that as an incentive that should be there to encourage and reward work. Transportation could be mostly solved by a better public transit system that was connected.

        Oh yeah, such a disagreeable thing for non-liberals, huh? Very controversial, we socialists want to have EVERYTHING public, NO EXCEPTIONS! No, actually no.

        Medical care, insurance, social security, childcare expenses, and many more could be covered by taxes, at least taxes on corporations. Yet alone having something like a Universal Basic Income to cover people’s daily expenses. There could be better union protections and such but I feel that’s branching the conversation off a bit much.

        Yup, that’s definitely not a thing a liberal would say.

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