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• AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  He was an MIT grad in physics and minor in math, his girlfriend was a mathmatician too. Clearly he must be intelligent. Maybe he wasn’t the genius everybody hailed him as. However if you are smart enough to understand topology and other math-related topics, I would assume that he would be smart enough to funnel money out to secret untraceable accounts, buy diamonds and stash them at strategic locations in numerous countries, have an exit strategy.

  Why couldn’t he just have bought a submarine and flee to russia? Or just make a run for it on a regular boat?

  I have a lot of trouble believing that if you have all that money, and you have at least as much smarts as the average math student, that you cannot extracate yourself from the situation he was in.

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  • Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You are making a mistake that a lot of people do. Just because you are intelligent in one particular field doesn’t mean that knowledge applies elsewhere. Time and time again we’ve seen some insane theories from truly talented people. My go to example is Ben Carson is a world renowned doctor who pioneered and succeeded in a surgery no one ever could have thought possible. He also believes the pyramids were used to store grain.

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    • LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “I can’t believe what a bunch of nerds we are… we’re looking up money laundering in a dictionary.”

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    • morriscox@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      People with Ph.Ds will sit down at a keyboard and drool out of the corner of their mouth while contacting tech support.

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    • hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And then there’s also a difference between being intelligent and being smart. If you are intelligent, you might know how to cheat in a videogame. But if you are smart, you know that this a bad idea because of a plethora of reasons.

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    • AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Excellent point.

      It’s just very very weird. If I sat on that much money, and had his IQ I would of figured something out.

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      • Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        IQ isn’t reliable and hasn’t been for a very long time, if ever. People get smart in areas, not overall. The brain is like a video game in that sense. You get skill points and get to spec them into certain areas. Some people spread them around and get middling knowledge in all areas but you won’t ever find someone who’s a genius universally. It’s just not a thing.

        Then you’ve got something else that is extremely important to this discussion. Arrogance. The smarter you are the more arrogant you tend to be. Usually not on purpose. Mostly it’s a byproduct of being told you’re smart constantly or by everyone else being slower than you and you get frustrated. When you have that arrogance you don’t seem to be aware of what you don’t know.

        Which leads me to a third thing. Actual smart people don’t assume they have knowledge. They know they don’t know a lot and are really hesitant. Conversely, people who aren’t that intelligent are usually convinced they know more than they do. Why? Because they’re not smart enough to see gaps in their knowledge. They’re looking at what’s in front of them but not the overall picture.

        All of that leads to this dude just genuinely not being smart. He was a combination of lucky and knowledgeable in a particular field.

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      • Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I sure as hell wouldn’t have committed major financial crimes to float a failing company run by some gal I only occasionally wanted to bang. Dude is a top notch dumbass.

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  • theKalash@feddit.ch ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He was an MIT grad in physics and minor in math, his girlfriend was a mathmatician too. Clearly he must be intelligent.

    Yes, depending on how hard he worked, properly a bit above average. But really it doesn’t say much.

    I would assume that he would be smart enough to funnel money out to secret untraceable accounts

    Why? As you said he graduated in physics and maths. That seems more like something a lawyers or economists would know about.

    But I agree. He should have been smart enough to at least hire someone to help him with that.

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    • AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And he could have just copied what other rich folks do. He didn’t have to reinvent the wheel.

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      • JoBo@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        He did do what other rich folk do. Based himself in a tax haven and, initially, tried to challenge extradition.

        Not many rich folk end up on trial. But even fewer end up absconding with their cash, never to be seen again. He is the normal kind of rich folk: he assumed he would get away with it because he is a born-rich kid who has never faced a consequence in his life.

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  • adespoton@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What you are saying is that he had a head for numbers.

    That says absolutely nothing about his ability to function in society. He had a personal world view that was extremely self-centred and ignored most US social values. The way he operated his businesses shows that he also had no clue how to responsibly manage a business; he left the wrong tasks to the wrong people and left tasks to others that were his responsibility as CEO. He felt that telling others that something was legal was just as good as actually making sure that the things he wanted to do actually WERE legal.

    So… not delusional, just ignorant of pretty much everything outside his own narrow area of expertise, and assuming that his smarts at math automatically made him an expert at everything without actually learning the details of how everything else worked.

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think there’s one major flaw here:

    You’re thinking about this as an average human.

    When you have insane amounts of money, you get what you want.

    He likely shopped around high price lawyers, but since he’s used to being told he’s right and a genius. He would have hired a law firm that agreed with him and said he’d be fine.

    They likely knew better, but told him what he wanted to hear and took his money with a smile.

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    • AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So he fell into the whole “yes-man-trap”… It takes somebody who is intelligent/self::aware to avoid that pitfall

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  • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Intelligence doesn’t preclude stupidity.

    He hadn’t gotten caught until he did, and even then, he believed he’d had a track record of getting away with anything.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just FYI diamonds are not a good place to store money

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    • AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Just FYI it’s not about that. It’s about them being lightweight and small compared to gold or cash for example

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