Society disensitises us to the idea of killing bad people, all the movies and TV you watch and games you play will have you kill someone because they’re an enemy or a bad person. No media justifies the idea of molesting someone because they’re a bad guy.
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carmo55@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
Huh. I can’t come up with a reason for why molesting baby Hitler feels so much more wrong than killing baby Hitler. You could even make the argument that it’s less wrong.
Is it just because of how killing and death is so normalized in all of modern media?
gmtom@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
I mean, not anymore. Prison rape jokes used to be all the rage
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
No media justifies the idea of molesting someone because they’re a bad guy.
I think One Punch Man has done that as a joke with the character Puri Puri Prisoner being both a high ranking hero and going to prison for raping me .
That being said, one example doesn’t mean it’s common, just that it happened at least once.
Nangijala@feddit.dk 3 days ago
One act is inherently sadistic, the other isn’t. It’s very simple.
I’m still a big fan of the scenario where you take baby Hitler and give him a lovely childhood and set him on a positive path instead the path he ended up on. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Putin had had and safe and loving childhood as well. The shit he went through in his formative years are directly tied to the creature we are all witnessing and suffering from today.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
I think a lot of people tend to externalize the consequences of murder as simply a matter of course. Like, a lot of people don’t think of themselves as murderers, but do think that if push comes to shove, or if shit hits the fan, or if worse comes to worst, they’d be able to dig deep and find the strength within themselves to “do what needs to be done” and “protect their family” or whatever.
In this sense, murder is just “work.” It’s a means to an end, if an extreme one.
But, basically no one feels this way about molestation. I mean, how could you? There’s no obvious connection between action and effect; the prompt says there is, but you just have to take that on faith. It’s probably easier to just commit the murder, anyway, which means there’s a degree of “indulgence” inherent to this that makes it feel much more gross. Plus, most people know this intuitively: we fix problems either by stopping them (murder, prison) or repairing them (therapy, support, love), and molestation is neither of those. Intuitively, it seems like the molestation would make things worse, actually.
So, in a rule-utilitarianism sense, I think people feel that murder is horrible, but permissible. Molestation is just horrible.
Also, regarding all of the above points, there’s a virtue ethics angle to what each of those options might say about what kind of person you are, even if they both yielded the same outcome.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 days ago
To be fair, he was innocent as a baby obviously.
But much easier to imagine woodchipping him than well, the fucked up shit anon spouted.
Maybe we are all different kinds of sick?
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Just to go on a tangent, Hitler was actually a product of incest. His dad/uncle had a habit of
raping“marrying” underage girls, including nieces.Also, there’s plenty of records of Hitler being fucked up as a kid, even before WW1. By that point he was particularly anti-semitic, even by the standard of early 1900’s Germany. He was also effectively “that kid” that was in everyone’s high school that wrote fanfic where they go on a rape/murder spree.
Tbh, Hitler had 0 chance of growing up as a normal, well-adjusted person.
IronBird@lemmy.world 3 days ago
time traveling assassins got the wrong guy, don’t kill hitler…kill alexander the great
no Alexander and there’s no roman empire, no roman empire mean catholicism dies a sweat short death and europe is spared all the inbred romaboos that followed
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Typical people deal with rape, murder is far rarer so there’s less “reality” to it. Go to a war torn country and you’d get a different response. Possivly “who is hitler?”
But, more specifically, the kill baby Hitler question already exists in the social ether to be finished through call and respond. Branching into molestation requires recontextualization which pulls us into reality. It’s no longer call and respond, you’ve just asked someone if they’d molest a baby.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 4 days ago
See for me I don’t think killing babies is any more or less appropriate. They are both horrifying questions that I can’t understand anyone not being able to say “no” to either question.
If youre back in time you could just work to not create a genocidal piece of shit. Also, this presumes that he was the only problem - there were many other horrible people involved, so there would likely just be another to take his place anyway.
Both questions are just off the charts level wrong to me and worth reporting. Though I bet there were plenty of other things said in the chat which would have also fit this ban message.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
You’re not wrong to feel the way that you do. Just try to understand where others tend to draw the incredibly arbitrary violence line
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 days ago
Misplace him into an Orphanage, propblem solved!
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Big fucking oof. And I say that as someone who routinely ruins peoples’ days with my comments.