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Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pedophilia has always been a part of Christianity. Mary was 13 when she gave birth to Jesus. Joesph was in his 70s. It’s the basis of the religion. At least Christianity tries to hide it by pretending that she was virgin and her child was actually from god. That’s better than, say, islam, where mohammad just outright marries Aisha when was 6 years old and pretended that allah told him its halal.
Mary was 13 when she gave birth to Jesus.
There is absolutely no verifiable documentation of Jesus’s birth, much less Mary’s age at the time of pregnancy. Might as well complain about the ages of Alcmene or Deichtine.
This kind of rhetoric is playing straight into the magical realism of the biblical literalists. Next, you’re going to start accusing Adam and Eve of incest.
I had a Catholic education and it’s the first time I’ve heard this about Mary’s age, are those ages actually in the scriptures/Koran?
I don’t know anything about Mary in the Bible but yes Aisha was definitely 6 when she was married according to the Koran, Muslims don’t deny it. They just do a bunch of mental gymnastics to explain how that’s somehow okay. Usually involving the fact that he waited until she was 9 to consummate the marriage, how noble and considerate.
Yes, the sahih hadiths explicitly state that mohammad married Alisha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9.
This marriage was justified in the quran via a verse 65:4, which virtually all the credible islamic tafsirs agree that it justifies child marriage and pedophilia.
Yes, but Marry technically didn’t get diddled.
Not by Joseph, but someone diddled her and he’s allegedly much older.
Three wise men decided to stop by for no reason.
Three dudes: “That big star is in the sky again, Mary wants us to run another train on her!”
Shows up with her payment
“Oh.”
Only because of a mistranslation
That doesn’t make any sense. Morality is not something that was given by Gods, but something we have invented.
Morality and legislation used to be entirely justified by being the word of God. Not that long ago (enlightenment) we started making those decisions based on what we think is a good idea. That’s basically what Nietzsche was talking about when saying “good is dead”, he didn’t mean that literally…
Cruel@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
It’s very unlikely Joseph was in his 70s. Neither of their ages are mentioned. Common estimates for Mary are 13-14, and Joseph being in late teens or early 20s.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Whammy are you acting like that is better?
markovs_gun@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Homie it was literally 2000 years ago and social norms have changed dramatically.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If God is perfect why does his religion adhere to “social norms” instead of right and wrong? Maybe that’s why the priests get to diddle kids, because of social norms.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s religious mythology built atop historical cultural standards. Arguing over the age at which a literal angel impregnated a virgin is fucking absurd and has nothing to do with modern morals either inside or outside the religious traditions predicated on it.
Two-thousand years later, members of this same Christian faith have overhauled both the cultural and legal standards for marriage around the globe. Meanwhile, outspoken atheists like Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss ended up all over the Epstein Files, despite unburdening themselves of archaic religious dogma.