Comment on When you know your boss is an insane moron
obinice@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
This is normal, no?
Sad, but normal. I’ve never had an employer that would find it acceptable for their staff to leave two minutes early. They wouldn’t even accept us beginning to get ready to leave until our clock out time, because up to that point we are supposed to be working.
Two minutes doesn’t sound like a lot, but I suppose they see it differently to us, the wageslaves.
If 20 salaried staff members regularly leave work 2 minutes early, that’s 40 minutes of lost productivity/paying wages to staff that aren’t even there, per day. 3 hours 20 minutes per week, 10 hours a month.
That’s assuming they didn’t stop working a few minutes earlier in order to actually be at the door clocking out 2 minutes early. In reality, they were probably getting ready to go, packing their stuff, grabbing their coat, going to the loo, maybe 4 minutes before actually leaving.
So, it’s more like 6 minutes of lost time per person, and now that’s 2 hours lost PER DAY across all 20 employees, or 10 hours a week, 40 hours a month.
Obviously I wouldn’t nitpick about such silly things, but an employer, who is paying out of their own pocket (in as much as the stolen production value of the proletariat is their money), is going to be looking closely at the timesheets and finances, do long term calculations like this, and will dehumanise their employees to save money.
So, when they see one person leaving 2 minutes early, they see a slippery slope, and the potential for dozens of hours or more of wasted wages per month if they don’t nip it in the bud.
I’ve never had a manager complain about leaving a few minutes early.
It destroys more good will and motivation than the theoretical 40 hour a month. I say theoretical because the odds of anyone getting anything done in those 3 min are astronomically slim.
That employee is never going to stay later to help with anything if they don’t have the wiggle room to leave a few minutes early.
Exactly! Plus, I always despise having to stay after everybody else has left those extra few minutes (if I’m 3 minutes late in the morning due to the bus or such) to ‘keep working’, it does nothing but make me dislike the management.
That said, I’m also never staying late to help with anything, it goes both ways. If they don’t want to let me work with some leeway by a few minutes here and there, I’m not giving them an inch either. Especially given that it would be unpaid extra work!
Lmao imagine being such a wage slave that your first thought when looking at a clock with mere minutes left is how to be productive for your master.
Shut the fuck up bootlicker
If I’m clocking out 2 minutes early, you’re not paying me for those 2 minutes… I clocked out, in fact I just saved you 2 minutes of my wage.
The last 2 minutes of any day are not where productivity happens. In fact, I bet leaving 2 minutes early compounding into 13 hours over a year actually SAVES the company 13 hours of time paid.
Moreover, if I was productive up to 4:57 and left, I’d be productive up to 4:57.
If I have to stay until 5:00, not one minute early, I’m watching the clock for at least 20 minutes doing fuck all because I’ve been instructed that I have to run out the clock every day forever.
When you prioritize employees for their time, they give you their time. When you prioritize them for their work, they’ll give you work.
They wouldn’t even accept us beginning to get ready to leave until our clock out time, because up to that point we are supposed to be working
Even the US outlawed that. What country do you live in where that’s normal?
In the US if you’re required to do something for work, at work, you’re on the clock. For example, if you have a uniform you’re required to wear, you clock in then out it on
Lots of employers break that law, which is why wage theft is by far the #1 form of theft in the US, but it is the law
Similar thing with responding to work messages outside normal work hours
You’re a straight shooter with upper management written all over you, Sharon.
Fuck off, Donkey.
Soulphite@reddthat.com 20 hours ago
Shut the fuck up, Sharon.
obinice@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Given that I make it clear that I personally disagree with corporate nitpicking over small time stuff like this, and point out that their imagined loss in company profits are stolen production value of the proletariat anyway…
can I take your swearing at me and telling me to be silent to mean that you yourself support the company in its demands that employees make up lost time by working late?
Or, do you agree with me, but Lemmy perhaps is more like Reddit than we would wish it to be, where sometimes we don’t actually read what people say, not taking on onboard the content of their message, unless it’s very short?
(I get that a lot to be fair, I’m told ADHD makes me a little verbose - I just like to lay my thoughts out with no room for misunderstanding haha)
I think I made my stance against this anti-worker practice clear. I began by laying out my own experience here in the UK with my previous employers (who I note consider us wageslaves) which, while it may not be your own experience, doesn’t change what has happened to me, and went on to explain their perspective (flawed and at odds with the proletariat as I show it is), then went on to make clear that their perspective isn’t my own.
…Is it a social crime to try to understand why our adversaries think the way they do?
…Should we all simply shout about how much we dislike the evils brought about by our late stage capitalist overlords, but never once pick apart why they do what they do, why they think the way they do, and discuss it amongst ourselves?
I’m not deep or particularly smart, nor do I stand out in any meaningful way in my understanding of worker’s history, laws, or how to fight for our rights.
But if I, an average worker who grew up in Manchester, a labour movement hotspot, one who reminds their colleagues of the Peterloo Massacre lest we forget those lessons, one who invites them to visit our People’s History Museum to see our history of unions, strikes, and fights for our rights, …if I can’t join the discussion with any allowed response other than “They’re evil, but let’s not try to understand why so that we might better fight for each other”, what have we, as a workers movement, become?
Taldan@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
He clearly said Sharon. Are you sharon?
Soulphite@reddthat.com 18 hours ago
No.