Comment on Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

• EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It is not a “harmless cosmetic procedure.” It’s more akin to ritual scarification or removing something like a lip, eyelid, or nose. It destroys nerve endings, causing a permanent loss of sensitivity, and the head of the penis is a mucus membrane that the foreskin is meant to keep moist and protect from damage. Most people had it done before they were old enough to be aware of the difference, but those who had it done later in life often report things like a reduction in the ability to feel sexual pleasure.

  Medically necessary circumcision or somebody choosing to have it done is one thing, forcing an amputation onto a baby is entirely different. It’s like forcing a trans person to go through the wrong puberty: unwanted and permanent physical changes that can take years of therapy and medical procedures to heal from.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    removing something like a lip, eyelid, or nose

    That’s absurd and you should know better. Tell someone who had their nose removed that “it’s just like circumcision” and see how they respond.

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    • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If we started doing it at birth and told them it was normal, then yeah its the same.

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  • mean_bean279@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s more reasons to have it done. It’s ultimately something that parents should only consider if they have a history of urinary tract issues since often times foreskin can cause issues like UTIs to be more frequent.

    Also, as a male with a circumcised dick I haven’t needed therapy for it. So comparing it to a trans person is kind of rude to the trans community. It’s also straight up not a big deal. My parents made decisions they felt were right at the time. Life goes on. I’m doing the same with my child and the hope is that I make more good decisions than bad.

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    • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You seem incapable of thinking of anyone besides yourself.

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      BS

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• Wilco@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It should not be legal. It is a cosmetic surgery forced upon children.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Cosmetic surgery should not be banned on children. What is up with the UK and wanting to criminalize everything?

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• Potatar@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The topic is child (cannot consent, hell in some cases cannot talk yet because too young) circumcision, you are talking about puberty+(can semi-consent: can decide who to live with in family seperation for example) issues?

  I agree about the black market but perfect is the enemy of good?

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    cannot consent, hell in some cases cannot talk yet because too young

    Again, people get their baby’s ears pierced all the time. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg on parent approved medical procedures. If circumcision upsets you, how do you feel about ear tubes, tonsillectomies, and cleft pallet repair?

    I agree about the black market but perfect is the enemy of good?

    I would say the cost of criminalization far outweighs the benefit.

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    • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      People should not be piercing their baby’s wars too. Neat that you used the same argument Republicans use use against gay marriage. We don’t see your kind here to often.

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        People should not be piercing their baby’s ears too.

        People shouldn’t be arrested for piercing a babies ears either.

        Having the police kick down your door and drag you to a cell over this shit is not an improved outcome

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    • michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The cost of criminalizing it is virtually nobody does it because they don’t want to lose their license or go to jail this seems pretty cheap

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Rabbis will continue to perform the surgery in secret, in the same way piercings and abortions and transgender surgery continues in the face of criminalization.

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  • mean_bean279@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s lots of things that parents do to their kids without their consent. I’d argue it’s worse to share their face on social media than to circumcise due to the true dangers of predators usage of technology. That doesn’t mean I think parents should be considered abusive if they do. That said, this is in the UK so I don’t have a horse in that race.

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    • michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is your fantasy. Sharing their face on social media is less dangerous than biking to a friend’s house

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    • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If the parents were made aware that its abusive and do it anyways then yes its abuse. Some people will question things naturally and thats fine, others will need information brought to them directly and thats also fine.

      We should expect parents to put effort into making the best decisions they can with the information they have available.

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• michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Can you legally get any other cosmetic surgery on a less than 1 yr old?

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• Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  BS argument.
  And the woman should have their vagina mutilated too for the same then right?
  Let’s clear the roads between 8-10 PM so we can have some car racing and donuts.
  And take your now legal guns and drugs too, we can have a fun evening of supervised shooting and meth!

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