I’m almost thru the game and I did not notice any sexual conducts with minors
Comment on the game "Horses" now barred on Steam, Epic and Humble Bundle
Kraiden@piefed.social 21 hours ago
content that appears, in our judgment, to depict sexual conduct involving a minor
I’m assuming they don’t mean a suggestive camera pan, but actually something problematic on screen, in which case, I totally support the ban. Devs were given the opportunity to change it, and they said no. Ban away imho. The fact that this is considered controversial is pretty disturbing to me.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 15 hours ago
Kraiden@piefed.social 15 hours ago
Yep, I’ve since read some other articles and it seems there’s more to this specific case
alehel@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
There’s been so many vague articles about what happened, I’m not sure we’ll get a clear picture at this point.
Deestan@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
The devs were not told what needed to change even after asking, so they tried to remove anything that they suspected could be taken the wrong way, asked for reconsideration or clarification, but receive none.
KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
This is false.
eurogamer.net/its-extremely-frustrating-and-also-…
They submitted to steam, who asked for a preliminary build of the game (one would assume due to concerns about the content). The build provided included a small child reading a naked man like a horse.
Steam denied the game based on the inclusion of CSAM, and advised the devs directly of this decision in what the devs call “an automated email”, as if steam is out there personally hand writing rejection letters for every failed game out there.
The devs claim to have changed the scene, but it seems that Steam has a zero-tolerance policy on games that feature CSAM. And, I mean, Fair.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
It seems a stretch to call (at least as far as I understand it), a naked (fictional) character riding a horse CSAM?
Or am I missing something here???
despoticruin@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
You are, it wasn’t a horse in the build they sent to Steam, it was a naked man. If you have a naked girl on a horse I think that qualifies too, you have an underage character that’s naked.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
Forming an opinion from your made up justification is a sign of poor judgement
Kraiden@piefed.social 20 hours ago
It’s a direct quote from the article you’re commenting on, and that my opinion is based on.
But please, don’t let me stop you from attacking my character instead of my argument
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
I was talking about your comment, not the quote. Weird that you assumed otherwise
“I’m assuming they don’t mean a suggestive camera pan, but actually something problematic on screen, in which case, I totally support the ban. Devs were given the opportunity to change it, and they said no. Ban away imho. The fact that this is considered controversial is pretty disturbing to me.”
Devs were not given the opportunity to change it as it wasn’t there in the first place
ripcord@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Yes it was
markz@suppo.fi 20 hours ago
It was a child doing pony play, riding a naked adult man-horse. The dev claimed it was not sexual.
This was removed later but it’s the build you send for review that gets reviewed. Other stores got a later version, hence why it passed on those.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
Considering there website proudly shows it is banned on Steam I’m sure this was done on purpose for the publicity.
Why did Epic ban it though? They didn’t get the ‘tainted’ preview version and normally love to have games that aren’t on Steam.
markz@suppo.fi 2 hours ago
Anything’s possible but I wouldn’t assume it was planned unless something else came up. I think he’s just riding the accidental publicity, which I don’t really blame him for, though the dishonesty of his spin kinda pisses me off.
I’d like to hear epic’s explanation on why the clean version was still too much.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 20 hours ago
I haven’t heard about the details, what’s your source on that?
As far as I recall, the developer said he didn’t know the actual reason for the ban.
markz@suppo.fi 20 hours ago
Some previous article which contained valve’s response, and a description of the scene. I didn’t find it immediately, but I’ll check again.
dukemirage@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
What’s CSAM?
markz@suppo.fi 19 hours ago
Child Sexual Abuse Material. Legalese for child porn and adjacent things.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 18 hours ago
I also was wondering why, it's always been called CP and then recently they changed acronym 🤷
Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world 19 hours ago
Pretty sure it’s child sexual abuse material