Windows 10 is no longer receiving security updates
I thought it was until October?
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nemo@piefed.social 15 hours ago
Windows 10 is no longer receiving security updates
Not all machines that ran W10 are capable of running W11
W11 is full of AI integration, always-on data collection, and other no-sell bloatware
Linux is easier to use than ever and free
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
SolidShake@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Well this ain’t true lmao. Win 11 is almost the same as 10. I have 0 “ai integration” on my PC. I don’t even have cloud files on one drive. And the most “bloatware” are just windows apps like calendar or contacts etc which can just be uninstalled.
Linux is also not easier to use than ever, you still need to Google every day basic functions like installing programs etc and you still have to learn terminal commands. Like cool you feel that way about windows I guess but you’re spreading misinformation
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
And the most “bloatware” are just windows apps
The Windows 11 Pro edition at my work had an entry for Whatsapp in the start menu after a fresh install…
This “Pro” edition had a popup ad for one of Microsoft’s games pushed as a notification. Literally a popup ad for a game in a Professional edition of the software. Something my company paid extra for.
I have 0 “ai integration” on my PC.
I’m constantly playing wack-a-mole with Copilot. It’s in Notepad by default…
Yeah, there is a reason my home PCs are all Linux Mint.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 hours ago
The Windows 11 Pro edition at my work had an entry for Whatsapp in the start menu after a fresh install…
That’s just a stub, an “ad”. Whatsapp isn’t installed.
SolidShake@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Idk why you have those issues. I disable copilot. I disable all taskbar add-ons, I disable and remove all notifications on the bottom right corner. I disable one drive. I have received 0 pop up ads for the entirety of windows 11 at home and at my full-time job. My wife’s computer is the same way as mine and she knows way less about to do anything but open steam and play some games.
Artisian@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Needing to go through and disable all the stuff sounds like managing bloat to me, no?
I’m personally angry that we have ads on the default minesweeper and solitaire. Gross
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
The problem is that Microsoft doesn’t honor your wishes. There is no button you can click that says, “opt me out of all AI and cloud data features.” You can disable apps, buttons, and tracking today, but there will be new ones out tomorrow. And there may be a period of weeks or months of them sucking your data up before you figure out what they’re tracking and how to shut it down.
Feyd@programming.dev 12 hours ago
Like cool you feel that way about windows I guess but you’re spreading misinformation
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 14 hours ago
Linux Mint is exactly as easy to use as Windows, if not easier. In Windows you also needed to google every day basic functions, but I guess for you personally that was so long ago that you don’t remember. On Windows you also need to use the terminal for some things, like removing some of their bloatware (xbox bullshit, for example).
There are some specific points I kind of agree with you about, but I don’t agree with your general sentiment. Linux is easier to use than ever.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 hours ago
In Windows you also needed to google every day basic functions
You do? Like what?
On Windows you also need to use the terminal for some things, like removing some of their bloatware (xbox bullshit, for example).
Or you can just leave it and not use it, disable it, or delete it from the add or remove apps settings menu.
Reference4054@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
Uh, he right though. If you think you have to use terminal and google for everything in Linux… that’s just nonsense. Lol
I made the change a couple years ago and Linux runs circles around Windows now and is pretty easy to use.
If you’re happy with windows, use it. I’m not going to waste any brain cycles arguing against someone else’s computer preference. But quit with the terminal and hard to use shit with Linux. That shit is about a decade outdated. I can’t even think of the last time I have needed to use terminal.
SolidShake@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I’ll try it again in a few months. My issue is that I make music, I’m not going to trust the jankyness of Linux and windows emulation.
When I try Linux I do it for gaming. My next gpu will be an AMD. maybe I’ll try again then
hddsx@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
Does LMMS still exist? There were a few other tools I used back in the day (wasn’t good at it so don’t ask for tips!)
hddsx@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
Is it even Linux if you’re not running four terminal emulators via tmux in single user mode on a 1280x960 screen?
BassTurd@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
You may have disabled copilot, but it installed and integrated into the Win 11 operating system. It takes 1 update to re-enable it without your consent. If there weren’t precedent, that wouldn’t really be a valid argument, but it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened.
Linux Mint is easier to use out of the box than any version of Windows. It is 100% usable without typing a single terminal command. If you learn apt-get, it extends functionality and is basically 1 command, which again, is optional.
To install applications it’s as simple as opening Software Manager, selecting the app, and installing. The app store is better than whatever windows has installed by a country mile.
On a fresh install it has a full libre office suite, all of the basic apps like calculator, and many others. If you don’t want that, it can be prevented at installation.
It is inherently more secure, and updates won’t revert settings or install malware like Windows updates.
Major version updates will always support old hardware. There will never be a situation like Windows 11 not supporting older hardware.
The only thing the Windows has over Linux is proprietary apps for a lot of products. For the average and most above average users, that’s irrelevant. There are options for most fields but not all. For most people, life exists in a web browser, and that works better on Linux.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 hours ago
Linux Mint is easier to use out of the box than any version of Windows.
How so? Definitely isn’t if you have an Nvidia GPU.
BassTurd@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Actually, it is. Anecdotally, I’ve never had an issue with my Nvidia card playing any games. Nvidia is certainly not as good as AMD, but it’s not as bad as the memes make it seem. In the past year they’ve worked more with Linux developers to provide better drivers. Not perfect, but it’s at least stable.
Installing the Nvidia drivers on Linux isn’t anymore difficult than it is on Windows.
If you haven’t used Linux within the last at couple of two years, then your experience is outdated and not relevant. There have been huge QoL improvements over that time.
SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 14 hours ago
you still need to Google every day basic functions like installing programs etc
To be fair, I had to do that when I tried macOS for a while years back. That is just part of learning to use any new operating system. But after a while, once you understand the basics, you will no longer need to use a reference for the basics. Linux is no different in that regard.
you still have to learn terminal commands
The only time I use the terminal is for things that are just simpler to automate via a command line. Things that I would be using a command line to achieve if I were using Windows/macOS. The kinds of things that I do in Termux on Android.
SolidShake@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Only time I use command for windows is when I have to format a drive that doesn’t show up in disk management. On Linux I had to use terminal so much. And not to mention the god awful support for gpus. My latest headache was only one display of two would work and the other would be back unless I did a mirror, or turn down my refresh rate to 60 (both are 180hz) Oh it made me so mad lol. I give Linux an honest try at least once a year but this year it just completely fucked up a separate hard drive that has windows. Idk what happened but I put bazzite on an isolated 1tb drive, and it completely deleted my windows boot loader. I had no choice but to reformat, lost everything. Not a huge deal to some but as a music producer it was a huge huge loss. (Now I am going to just run off external drives for thet)
onslaught545@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
You absolutely didn’t have to format your windows drive to fix the missing bootloader issue. That’s like burning down your house because you lost your keys.
SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 11 hours ago
Not a huge deal to some but as a music producer it was a huge huge loss. (Now I am going to just run off external drives for thet)
Oof, regardless of OS, it is smart to keep your important files off of your OS drive. Yeah, an external drive is one way to do that.
trinsec@piefed.social 14 hours ago
Linux and Windows are probably just equally as difficult to use to the average user. Might as well go Linux with less obnoxious features like copilot and recall. My dad was a Windows user for many many years, but he still knew zilch about how to solve problems in Windows. The average user would need to google anyway, no matter which OS.
And with the right distro (Linux Mint for example) you would have zero interactions with the terminal. Everything's done via the GUI, just like Windows.
I've had to interact with weird things in Windows lately which I had to google up like 'open the run programs and type in srvcmngmt.msc' or whatever that was again. Something that apparently couldn't have been done via the GUI. Great job!
For the record I am still mainly a Windows user.
SolidShake@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Yeah you’re probably right. I grew up with windows and had to learn Linux around windows 10 era and it was a shitty time. I just installed Linux on a second drive but it destroyed my windows boot loader with some other terminal only bootloader thing that didn’t work. Last time I try Linux (side boot) for good. I lost so much work.
trinsec@piefed.social 14 hours ago
If it's any comfort to you (heh), a Linux user trying to install Windows on a second drive would probably see its bootloader ruined by Windows as well.
That's why I don't do dualboots. Screw it.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 hours ago
Linux is also not easier to use than ever,
Not to mention doesn’t play nicely with GPUs made by the overwhelming market leader, nvidia.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 hours ago
Windows 10 is no longer receiving security updates
hddsx@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
Linux is free? I think you need to have a talk with the folks over at IBM about RHEL or the folks over at EQT about SLES
anothermember@feddit.uk 13 hours ago
Free as in freedom. But also free as in cost for most PC use cases. Red Hat and SUSE are mostly selling enterprise services.
TheRedSpade@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Even the companies behind paid distros tend to release free versions. What they’re really charging for is support.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
Windows 10 is the exact same BS, but 10% less in your face AI. Have people really been frog boiled this badly?
psmgx@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Much of that dubious functionality can be turned off in Win10. Not so in AI heavy Win11
aGlassDarkly@piefed.social 9 hours ago
I certainly was pre-Steam Deck, religiously looking after every Windows update for how I’d have to debloat the thing. After seeing firsthand how easy the SD was, I figured even my dumb ass can manage to search for instructions. Laptop is on Nobara now. Sometimes I have problems, but they’re rarer than they were in Windows and an easy search has solved them all so far.